to gyrene81 have you thought about looking at craigslist, just a idea
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Actually, I did for a few minutes...craigslist has been on my pooplist since it's inception...always considered it a place for scheisters and posers, and with all the negative news headlines over the past year or so, I right on some level...

...I'm going to poke around in it again to see what pops up, thanks for making the recommendation.
the 4850 is a good choice less then 100.00 i just picked up a 4670 512 128 bit DDR3 for 70ish off new egg
I've looked at the ATI cards...a lot...used to run nothing but back in the day...it's just this Nforce mobo chipset that has me hesitating. Back with the Nforce 4 and 5 chipsets, an ATI card caused problems if that's no longer the case then...hmmmm
Starting to look like 9800GT is the preferred choice.