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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2009, 03:26:06 PM »
Heres a quote from the page deicated to the Lieghterton RFC Cemetary where many Australian Fliers from WWI are interred. Bold and italics are mine. Gives you an idea of just how dangerous a life those boys had from the moment they started training until (if) they went home again.

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Leighterton Cemetery is situated close to the site of the former Royal Flying Corps airfield bearing the same name. Established in 1918 the airfield was used to train pilots in readiness for action in France. In 1911 the British Government urged the Dominions of Australia, New Zealand and Canada to develop their own air warfare capability. It was the Australian government who were the first to take up on this and by early 1918 were sending their cadet pilots to Leighterton and Minchinhampton for training. The trainee fighter pilots were often chosen because of their adeptness at horsemanship, whilst others already had experience of flying aircraft. The Australians were generally well liked by local people and enjoyed a degree of notoriety within the community. However, thirty of these young men were to lose their lives before they even saw active service and those who were lucky enough to survive training had an operational life expectancy of less than nine days. Many of those who were lost are now buried in this immaculately maintained and peaceful cemetery. It is worth noting that after two decades of private flying at Leighterton, following its abandonment by the military, the site was in March 1940 allocated to No. 9 SFTS at Hullavington for use as a relief landing ground. There is however no historical evidence to suggest that Leighterton was used for this purpose.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2009, 10:55:54 AM »
Hoho, as a Brit who was born in Gosport, Hampshire, four miles from the site of Grange Airfield where the great Smith-Barry 'taught the world to fly' at the RFC School of Special Flying, I can't help being amused by the USA-biased view of desirable Great War aircraft - 'I gotta have a SPAD.' With the honourable exception of volunteers who served with the French Air Force or enlisted with the British RFC, RNAS or RAF by way of Canada or the other Commonwealth forces, no American pilot participated in the conflict until the last year of the war - so the contribution of those brave flying doughboys who did make it into combat was a minor factor in the Allied victory. I salute them all, but I reckon we Old-Worlders might know just a li'l bit about early war-flying, eh?

I flew in iEN's Dawn of Aces for years. It was a fun sim once the crucial role of the two-seater was recognised and the whole point of WW1 air-fighting could be re-created by spotting for the artillery, dropping all the hangars and capturing the field. Up until then, it just seemed to be an endless furball 'tween the two closest airfields - fun, but not a fair picture of WW1 flying. The greatest killer of troops in WW1 was artillery, and that artillery was blind without the spotters in the BE2c or RE8 or Albatros C.III calling out the fall of shot via morse W/T. Aerial photography replaced the scribbled notes made by observers desperate to see what the enemy was doing 'over the hill' - more work for the two-seaters. And the single-seater, being slightly faster and more nimble, evolved into the first specialised fighter aircraft to stop the spotting, which led to fighter escorts and combat patrols, which led to the whirling dogfights wot the fighter-jockeys know and love . . . but the core of all air forces 1914-19 (we Brits were still fighting the Reds in Russia) was the two-seater. Well done, AH, on including the Bristol F2B Fighter ('Biff' in WW1, or plain 'Fighter'; the 'Brisfit' nickname was post-WW1) in the initial planeset; hope the RE8, BE2 series and Albatros and Rumplers appear eventually, alongside the better-known SE5/5a, et al.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2009, 11:16:07 AM »
Hoho, as a Brit who was born in Gosport, Hampshire, four miles from the site of Grange Airfield where the great Smith-Barry 'taught the world to fly' at the RFC School of Special Flying, I can't help being amused by the USA-biased view of desirable Great War aircraft - 'I gotta have a SPAD.'

You completely misunderstand the cry for the Spad XIII.  It's about a desire for French representation...you know, your allies who bled even more than the UK?
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2009, 11:36:07 AM »
See Rule #4

  
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2009, 11:44:14 AM »
See Rule #2
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2009, 12:03:58 PM »
See Rule #2.

Hey, sonny, don't worry your little head about it.  The French and Brits used to be very good at getting themselves into dumb wars that they couldn't get out of.  So I'm sure they know what they're talking about when it comes to death and destruction.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2009, 12:09:45 PM »
I see an American needs a English/English to English/American dictionary.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2009, 12:13:45 PM »
WWI, no trims adjustable in flight either!   Just your mind, your feet on the pedals, and your hand on the stick!
OH MAN, this is gonna be FUN!!!

Wrong.

The SE5a and many of the Sopwith fighters had trimable tabs.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2009, 12:30:18 PM »
I see an American needs a English/English to English/American dictionary.

laddie = buddy

If that's the case, then I would have to retract my complaint.  When I look up the word in a dictionary, it says "young boy."  I think I've seen enough British movies to understand the meaning of the word.

On the other hand, the point still stands that he refuses to believe that we're asking for the Spad XIII on the merit of representing the French.
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2009, 06:00:38 PM »
Don't talk to me about allies or death in war, laddie, my family has lost all too many members in too many conflicts for me to be impressed. Just read your history, open your mind and pull your Stars-'n'-Striped finger out.

Cheers!

  

Ignorant statement. Your family history is irrelevant.


The fact is France built and fielded the most scouts of any country, more than Germany or the United Kingdom.  The Aeronautique Militaire was the largest air force,

I realize this is the initial plane set. But with 4 aircraft, it should have been a French, a British, and two German  scouts included.

It's not 'looking a gift horse in the mouth' , it is just my opinion. I am happy with any scouts of WW1 ,, I mean , it is like opening up a Korea arena and forgetting the Communists at the start

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2009, 06:52:01 PM »
Wrong.

The SE5a and many of the Sopwith fighters had trimable tabs.

Now herein lies a problem... I've Been perusing period pics, (genuine WWI), and Museum Aircraft pics... They show no trim tabs on SE5a.... Just as I have read in other sources...

But the Airshow reenactors REPLICA planes DO have simple bendable tabs on rudder and elevator..  (still not adjustable in flight) Its an expected thing for modern guys to add trim tabs to these planes, that can be more than a little dangerous to fly in their original form... Hell, modern regulations probably require it, for certification to fly at all....  

I am hoping that HT will give us this arena as RAW MEAT... I don't need or want it "cooked" by modern convenience..  That would ruin it for me...

RC  (see below, don't see any trim tabs, do you?)

Sopwith Camel, at the imperial war museum

SE5 at National Museum In Australia
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2009, 10:26:51 PM »
Sorry Rip that should be stab, like on the 109 and 190.

Look thro this link, http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/node/2693

In one of the pics you can see the trim wheel to the left of the pilot seat.

Now, lined up into wind I bring the speed back to 60 and wind the tail trim fully nose up for the landing.

http://www.eaa.org.za/articles/se5a-pilot-report
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2009, 12:15:25 AM »
Ah Rgr Milo, I stand corrected on the SE5... By all means, if the plane had pitch trim in RL, then it should be there in game as well... But if not, then NOT!!!  Same with yaw and roll trims...  But it shouldn't be a blanket app to all planes... That adjustable horizontal stab is some pretty advanced equip for 1917...

And yeah I scrounged around and found a pic of one of the museum originals with the wheel peekin behind the seat.. Don't really trust replica builders of any genre, bikes, cars, or planes.. Too often they sneak stuff in that doesn't belong... Those guys did a hell of a job tho, very cool!!!

This is the first enthusiasm I've had for this game in awhile, just hoping like hell that it isn't cheezed up with a bunch of silly stuff... Last go'round for me...

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2009, 04:26:37 AM »
Sorry Rip that should be stab, like on the 109 and 190.

Look thro this link, http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/node/2693

In one of the pics you can see the trim wheel to the left of the pilot seat.

Now, lined up into wind I bring the speed back to 60 and wind the tail trim fully nose up for the landing.

http://www.eaa.org.za/articles/se5a-pilot-report

You noticed your quote come from a 1999 article ?

Where did this test flight take place and when? The depot at St Omer in August 1918 just before the big push at Biaches? No, at Old Warden Aerodrome, August 1999.

I seriously doubt and original SE5 was used.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2009, 06:19:55 AM »
Here you go Straffo. :)

F904 / G-EBIA This aeroplane never saw service use and was purchased ‘new’ after the war by Major J C Savage for his skywriting business and registered G-EBIA. It was rediscovered suspended from the roof of the Armstrong Whitworth flight shed at Whitley in 1955, was restored for the Collection by staff and apprentices at RAE Farnborough and flew again in August 1959. After mechanical problems with the original geared Hispano-Suiza it was re-engined with a 200 hp Wolseley Viper engine in 1975. In 1987 this replacement unit had to be extensively rebuilt and the aircraft flew again in 1991.

http://www.shuttleworth.org/shuttleworth_aircraft_details.asp?ID=12