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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2009, 01:29:24 PM »
I don't buy the "shot down the most therefore best," argument.  Or do you think the 109 was the best fighter of WW2?
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2009, 02:36:49 PM »
Actually that's very much arguable. ;)

I think Brequet 14 was very much comparable to the Bristol F2b when rivaling from the "best two-seater of the war - award".

The Breguet 14 kept being built after the war and set a number of records, scouted a lot of new air corridors for the mail (Mermoz&co). Udet was shot by a Breguet 14 also  :salute

That plane made a bit of history for sure.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2009, 03:39:32 PM »
The Camel was on its way out by war's end as a fighter; it was too slow and not effective at high altitude.

However, with that being said, I think it's debatable whether the D. VII was the finest fighter of the war.  The best Entente fighters at the time it entered service were the Spad XIII and the SE5a, both of which could outrun it (or run it down), thus allowing smart pilots to fight on their own terms.  The Snipe, which was about as fast as the D. VII, but much more maneuverable, was about to enter service in numbers on the British end of things when the armistice came.  Given the relative paucity of resources that Germany had access to, i.e. a/c engines, a/c quality wood, lubricant, etc., the German a/c industry probably would not have been able to deliver a fighter that could beat the Spad, the SE5a or the Snipe.  Factor in the relative number of a/c that the German a/c industry could pump out compared to how many the Entente powers could produce in the same time frame, I still stand by my argument that in the game of technical oneupsmanship, the Germans lost.  The D. VII gave them relative parity, not superiority but that parity would've probably vanished with time as things like the ropey Hissos on the Spads had their kinks worked out (thus allowing the XIII to fully replace the VII), the Snipe entering service in numbers came to fruition.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2009, 04:36:20 AM »
The 300hp+ class of fixed radials like the 320hp dragonfly and 12cyl inline engines such as the 300hp Hispanio-Suza had just begun to be reliable in British aviation by the end of 1918. From my Jane's 1919 it was evident all of the fighter producers in Great Britan had prototypes that flew in the 130's mph at 10k and climbed to 5k in 3 minutes. The Germans had the D.VIII parasol which flew 127mph at 10k with a 110hp rotary engine. Its speed being due to less drag by having one wing and no external wires. But by the end of 1918 Germany was running out of technology while Great Britan and France had just warmed up for round two.
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #109 on: November 16, 2009, 02:19:03 PM »
The A.B.C. Dragonfly engine was an unmitigated disaster according to every source I've read. Ordered in large numbers before proper testing proved it a dud and the specified powerplant for many of the new aircraft types being developed at the end of the war, it had insufficient finning and constantly overheated. Perhaps you're thinking of the Siddeley Jaguar 14-cylinder two-row radial engine developed by S.D. Heron which powered the Siddeley S.R.2 Siskin that became the Armstrong-Whitworth Siskin, built in large numbers for the R.A.F. during the 1920s and early 1930s.

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #110 on: November 16, 2009, 02:38:33 PM »
 Or do you think the 109 was the best fighter of WW2?

1/3rd of Dweebs think so, a further 1/3rd of dweebs say it is the P-51, and the final 1/3rd claim all that matters is pilot skill, even when its C-47 vs. Tempest.
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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2009, 09:14:17 PM »
3/3rds of all dweebs agree the last 1/3rd is the most obnoxious.

Nothing more annoying then 'ITS TEH PILOT!' types when you're trying to discuss aircraft .

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Re: WWI Plane choice
« Reply #112 on: November 17, 2009, 02:41:30 AM »
I'd thought the first third would go with the spit16  :devil
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