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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2009, 04:07:16 PM »
Ill bite.  Why?

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2009, 11:50:57 PM »
i just want to fly the A-1 skyraider...
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2009, 02:47:17 AM »
I vote yes

I'd MUCH rather have Korea than WW1

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2009, 05:43:37 AM »
I vote yes as well. AH2 is a MMO air combat game. Don't see any technical issues, have successfully flown the 262 and 163 and hit stuff. (next time I will try using the guns).

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2009, 01:50:12 PM »
I vote yes

I'd MUCH rather have Korea than WW1
Because an arena with only two competitive airframes, of which one will be picked 75+% of the time, is a good idea.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2009, 02:04:34 PM »
Many here  think that in a modern dogfight or near-modern like Korea the speeds are too high and they will not have any chance for a real dogfight. Dont think so. Here a vid of an actual dogfight between a HAF Mirage 2000 and an TuAF F-16. Speeds are quite normal and there  fully ACM implemented. Speeds vary from 210 too 230 or 240 so i don't see any problem why F-86s against MiG-15s will not have the same kind of dogfight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG0vv3BqU8A

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2009, 02:40:16 PM »
Many here  think that in a modern dogfight or near-modern like Korea the speeds are too high and they will not have any chance for a real dogfight. Dont think so. Here a vid of an actual dogfight between a HAF Mirage 2000 and an TuAF F-16. Speeds are quite normal and there  fully ACM implemented. Speeds vary from 210 too 230 or 240 so i don't see any problem why F-86s against MiG-15s will not have the same kind of dogfight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG0vv3BqU8A
Because the ones that decide to do that are meat on the table for the ones that decide to keep the airspeed above 500mph.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2009, 02:49:50 PM »
Because the ones that decide to do that are meat on the table for the ones that decide to keep the airspeed above 500mph.

And how is this any different from a lot of the current MA fights??
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2009, 02:55:15 PM »
And how is this any different from a lot of the current MA fights??
The speed differential is not as lopsided and there are more than two planes that are competitive.  The F-86 would be used for far more than 50% of the flights.  If it was like the MA it would basically be F-86s vs F-86s.  If it were done on historical sides it would be a bunch of F-86s looking for the one schmuck who upped a MiG-15.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2009, 04:29:36 PM »
Still questionable why anyone interested in WWI or korea would go to a WWII game to play.

Your going to spread it out.. how about nam or balloon wars.

Hope what most of us came here for does not stagnate again!

Same reason why a lot of us played in the WW1 and Korean War arenas in AW, it was fun.  I don't recall anyone being against either of those arenas in AW because they weren't "WW2".


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #85 on: November 05, 2009, 04:31:02 PM »
You mean Sabres vs Sabres, right?  Few people would take the MiG I expect.
Actually, it is exactly not like that.

The MiG15 would be just as a popular ride as the F-86 would be.  The MiG15 did outclass early F-86s in quite a few areas such as turn, climb and ceiling while the early F-86s were better in a dive.  Things improved for the Sabre when the all-moving tailplane was introduced with the E model did things start to shift in the Sabre's direction.  The F-86F-30 with the '6-3' wing things completely shift in the Sabre's direction and reversed pretty much all the advantages the MiG 15 had over the Sabre.

One thing for certain, the MiG 15 was a far more difficult plane to fly than the Sabre was, especially at low speeds with its very poor stall characteristics.


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2009, 04:34:48 PM »
not sayin i wouldnt play in that arena,but you guys know that opens a whole nuther can of worms leading up to radar guided missiles and sams
that would make things more than just flyin around and dogfighting,maybe not at the very begeining but eventually it would come to that.

How does having jet combat in a Korean War arena open up a can of worms?  You should take some time to read about the air conflict in Korea...no SAM missiles and no A2A missiles so that pretty much invalidates your 'fear'. 


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2009, 04:35:32 PM »
Trolling kind of late arent we candyass?

storchita was always a little on the slow side...


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2009, 04:36:34 PM »
korean war = day i quit

Seriously?  You'd be that much of a wuss and quit if a Korean War arena was added?  If that's the case, then by all means, I hope we get that arena really soon so I can laugh at you before you cancel your account.


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2009, 04:53:53 PM »
read a book now and then,Battle Hymn by Col. Dean E. Hess USAF retired who started out flyin 47s late ww2 and who went on to korea and at the very start was in 47s training korean pilots in the 47s til the f51s came along,and yes they were used in combat to hit ground targets.
he was also the person,along with the guys in his outfit, who got Operation Kiddy Kar started,taking orphans and getting them away from combat areas and raising funds to get them the things they needed to survive.
and btw the p51 name was changed to the f51

You should have someone that has basic reading comprehension skills read the book to you again so you can understand what it says.

Col. Dean E. Hess did not fly P-47s in Korea nor did ROKAF fly the P-47.  Hess was the commander of 'Bout One' which was the USAAF operation to train ROK pilots in the F-51. Once the USAAF instructors deemed the ROKAF pilot ready, the USAAF instructors would then fly combat missions with them.

If you really did read the book or even watch the movie of the same name, you would have read that the only time Hess flew Thunderbolts was when he served in WW2 and flew P-47s over Europe in 1944.

At no time did the P-47 fly over Korea by any country.  The USAAF deemed that the F-51 was more suitable for logistical reasons as the plane was both in the reserve AF units and with the Air National Guard.  The P-47 by this time was only in the Air National Guard inventory and was no longer flown by regular USAAF units (reserve or active).  During Korea, the P-47 was relegated to Air National Guard duty as an interceptor on the East Coast.


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