Hitlers obsession?

[Anaxogoras]

Western Ukraine/former Poland initially regarded the Nazis as liberators. Ukrainians building ghettos before SS arrive with Germans around having nothing to do with it,  capturing Jewish towns before fighting the Red army, something doesn't make sense.

That's the point.  Read Hilberg's book yourself and you will see that my summary is accurate.  His scholarship is exhaustive and the standard by which subsequent work has been judged.

FYI, I have only read the abridged volume that's around 500 pages.  I am sure there are plenty of other details that I missed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews

[Masherbrum]

What do you think Hitler was more obsessive: defeating the Russians or Allies on the western front?

I see him more after Russia.

Neither.

He's was screwed from Sept. 1st, 1939 on.   When he declared war on the US, it went from screwed to "f**ked".

[oakranger]

Neither.

He's was screwed from Sept. 1st, 1939 on.   When he declared war on the US, it went from screwed to "f**ked".

Yes he was.  But my question was how obsess was he on the East.  Look at this: he put so much men, supplies, GVs, and AC on the eastern front then  he did in the west or south. 

[Masherbrum]

Yes he was.  But my question was how obsess was he on the East.  Look at this: he put so much men, supplies, GVs, and AC on the eastern front then  he did in the west or south.  

He was obsessed, but he waged War against one of the most Paranoid Leaders in existence, Stalin.   Stalin chose the fools way, he'd keep his underlings on pins and needles, rather than allowing them to use logic.   Most of the wartime decisions were from bravado and many Soviets paid the ultimate price.

What screwed the Germans in the end were two things.   They not only outran their Supply Lines and they had no rigid supply organization structure.  Milch himself had to fly out twice to the staging areas, fix the fusterclucks and return when they fouled again.   Blitzkreig was good on paper, but the USSR was something that it wasn't practical for.  

But take into account that Barbarossa was stalled deliberately by Bletchley Park, because of Tito & the Balkans.   Hitler removed a couple of units that might have altered the outcome, had he not smacked down the Balkans, which were pointless at the time to begin with.  He could have left it for rear guard units or for later.  That move caused Barbarossa to be delayed for six weeks.   They already knew that the Winter would be a harsh one, just not that harsh.   But sadly even with the extra six weeks, Stalin was screwed because of mishandling of mobilization.   Unit Commanders for the 1st 10 days of Barbarossa often lost contact with their units if they left the forward stations.  

I'd recommend reading "Stain's Folly" by Constantine Pleshakov.   It was written with Politburo papers before they closed the Vault.   It shows Stalin for what he really was.  


This better?  

[KgB]

That's the point.  Read Hilberg's book yourself and you will see that my summary is accurate.  His scholarship is exhaustive and the standard by which subsequent work has been judged.

FYI, I have only read the abridged volume that's around 500 pages.  I am sure there are plenty of other details that I missed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews

Ty sir,i'll look into it.

[Bruv119]

He was fascinated on how the British could enslave millions around the world.  He and millions around the world had much hatred towards Bolshevism for a very long time.

you seem to mistake the word enslave with civilise Herr Kermit.

 

[BlauK]

Western Ukraine/former Poland initially regarded the Nazis as liberators.

Hmmm... makes one wonder why . Some of that same spirit existed in Baltic countries in 1941, maybe because they had recently been "civilized" ( at Bruv).

[zack1234]

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[Bruv119]

See Rule #4

unfortunately zack I can only agree with one of your ten points.  

maybe two

[Plawranc]

See Rule #6

[Charge]

"We shouldve sent a sniper team after him."

AFAIK, you did. Although the spy that was to snipe Hitler at Bertesgarten, did not want to lose his life in a suicidal attempt that was not guaranteed to succeed anyway.

"Closest so far.  I would put killing off the Jews above destroying Bolshevism, or anything else, for that matter."

I think Rich is correct too but I'm not sure if Hitler was so determined to destroy Jews. Maybe it was machined by the other lunatics of Nazi party and he had no objections for the solution they came up with.

-C+

[zack1234]

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[Angus]

Hitler's Obsession was to create a pure-bred Germanic superstate, and the place for it was in the East. But the Brits got uncomfortably in the way, and that alone may have been the key to his failiure.
He was not obsessed with the conquest of France or the UK, but since they declared war on him, they had to be dealt with. And he did not plan to conquer the USA, so declaring war on them was outright mad.
Dealing with W-Europe probably postponed his Russian plan by a year. And since the UK refused to be at piece although alone, it meant that his plans for the east were different, slower, later, weaker and worse.
So in short, when I interviewed Hitler, this came out:
Name: Hitler
Occupation: Dictator
Hobby: Cleaning human breed.
Assignment: Make more lebensraum
Enemies: Inferior races, i.e. Jews, Slavs etc.
Obstacles: The British
Favourite music: Wagner
Favourite food: Vegetables
Favourite person: Hmm. Caesar?
Most hated: Churchill
Favourite place: Bavaria
What would you do if you freed a Jinni, and got one wish: Kill all ze Jews, ahh, no kill all the Bolsheviks, there are more of them.
Ok. Thank you Mr. Hitler. You can leave now 

[zack1234]

See Rule #4

[mechanic]

Hitler was first and foremost an excelent liar. A professional actor.

IMHO, his first and most powerfull obsession was controlling what people thought of him and how he would be remembered. Raising Germany above 'lower forms' of humanity was just a dream cog in his own egotistical engine.


Quick answer? His greatest obsession was himself.