Hitlers obsession?

[oakranger]

What do you think Hitler was more obsessive: defeating the Russians or Allies on the western front?

I see him more after Russia.

[Chalenge]

Destroying Germany was his major obsession. After he realized he was doomed he made sure the rest of the country went before him.

[Soulyss]

The war in the east was a ideological war.  From what I've read he was somewhat reluctant to go to war with some of the western powers, especially Britain.   

[akusher]

I think that Hitler's true obsession was to create the ultimate Russia-fearing ambiguously-homoerotic super-android... A being that can defeat even the staunchest enemy by gradually siphoning off his will to live with lengthy, verbose, sporadically-coherent theories and stories.

This ambition was officially satisfied with the advent of the one they call:

Angus

[Rich46yo]

Without question he was obsessed with the east. He easily wanted to destroy Bolshevism and International Jewry fully as much as he wanted to win the actual war. The Land/living space his new Teutonic super state needed was to the east as well.

And along with being a racist Lunatic he was also a racist pragmatist. The oil and resources the Reich needed were also to the east. Even tho Stalin faithfully delivered all he wanted in trade right up to the opening shots Hitler still wanted Romanian oil and the resource rich Soviet state. Then there was Himmler and his fantasies of all the Aryan soldier/farmer/supermen living like Lords over their vast new farm communities.

So yeah. He wanted the living space, the resources, and he wanted to turn the undesirable races of people "those he deemed to be" into soylent green. And it wasn't just Jews. It was also Gypsies/Roma and Slavic peoples as well as the Intelligentsia and leaders of the Marxist state.

And the entire thing obsessed him. To the point of committing military suicide.

[SirFrancis]

I think that Hitler's true obsession was to create the ultimate Russia-fearing ambiguously-homoerotic super-android... A being that can defeat even the staunchest enemy by gradually siphoning off his will to live with lengthy, verbose, sporadically-coherent theories and stories.

This ambition was officially satisfied with the advent of the one they call:

Angus

can you be a little bit more specific? I dont understand what you mean...

SF

[Anaxogoras]

Without question he was obsessed with the east. He easily wanted to destroy Bolshevism and International Jewry fully as much as he wanted to win the actual war. The Land/living space his new Teutonic super state needed was to the east as well.

And along with being a racist Lunatic he was also a racist pragmatist. The oil and resources the Reich needed were also to the east. Even tho Stalin faithfully delivered all he wanted in trade right up to the opening shots Hitler still wanted Romanian oil and the resource rich Soviet state. Then there was Himmler and his fantasies of all the Aryan soldier/farmer/supermen living like Lords over their vast new farm communities.

So yeah. He wanted the living space, the resources, and he wanted to turn the undesirable races of people "those he deemed to be" into soylent green. And it wasn't just Jews. It was also Gypsies/Roma and Slavic peoples as well as the Intelligentsia and leaders of the Marxist state.

And the entire thing obsessed him. To the point of committing military suicide.

Closest so far.  I would put killing off the Jews above destroying Bolshevism, or anything else, for that matter.

Asking whether Hitler was more interested in the West or in the East shows a complete lack of understanding of Nazi war aims.

[Kermit de frog]

He was fascinated on how the British could enslave millions around the world.  He and millions around the world had much hatred towards Bolshevism for a very long time.

[oakranger]

Closest so far.  I would put killing off the Jews above destroying Bolshevism, or anything else, for that matter.

Asking whether Hitler was more interested in the West or in the East shows a complete lack of understanding of Nazi war aims.

Agree.  From what i been reading he was totally obsess with Russia and everything it had.  

[SirFrancis]

1. to get rid of Jews, Sinti, Roma and all the other low level ethnic groups in the eyes of the Nazis
2. expand living space (Lebensraum) to the east -> it was clear for the Nazis, that Russia was the place to be
3. Lead the German master-race to a major global player
3. maybe the west, because he was "surprised" that France and England declared war after the Nazis invaded Poland

So defeating Russia was not an obsession, but a necessary factor to expand to the east.


SF

[Anaxogoras]

Agree.  From what i been reading he was totally obsess with Russia and everything it had.  

No.  Read Hilberg (The Destruction of the European Jews).  From the first day of the invasion of Russia, military strategic and tactical goals were subordinated to killing Jews (einsatzgruppen).  Resources were only an accidental benefit, and if harvesting them got in the way of killing jews, then those resources were squandered.  There are multiple accounts of factories that produced military goods being liquidated of the jews they employed for the purpose of extermination, without any available labor to replace them.  The Ukrainians and Romanians understood this, and often had jews in ghettos before the SS even arrived.  Moreover, the capture of towns with large Jewish populations took priority over the capture of targets of military/industrial value.  Once you read the scholarship, it's an inescapable conclusion that everything was subordinated to extermination.

[E25280]

Closest so far.  I would put killing off the Jews above destroying Bolshevism, or anything else, for that matter.

I'm not sure there was much distinction between the two for him. IIRC he believed Bolshevism was a Jewish construct in the first place.

[RipChord929]

He spells it all out verbatim in Mien Kampf... If you can read the thing, lol!!!   I always loose it about 2/3 of the way thru, when I hit that single paragraph that lasts for 17 pages, LOL!!!   But I managed suffer thru...

His weltenschouung is right on display.. There is absolutely no ambiguity!!!

Was he obsessed with the east, HELL YES!!!

RC

[KgB]

No.  Read Hilberg (The Destruction of the European Jews).  From the first day of the invasion of Russia, military strategic and tactical goals were subordinated to killing Jews (einsatzgruppen).  Resources were only an accidental benefit, and if harvesting them got in the way of killing jews, then those resources were squandered.  There are multiple accounts of factories that produced military goods being liquidated of the jews they employed for the purpose of extermination, without any available labor to replace them.  The Ukrainians and Romanians understood this, and often had jews in ghettos before the SS even arrived.  Moreover, the capture of towns with large Jewish populations took priority over the capture of targets of military/industrial value.  Once you read the scholarship, it's an inescapable conclusion that everything was subordinated to extermination.

Western Ukraine/former Poland initially regarded the Nazis as liberators. Ukrainians building ghettos before SS arrive with Germans around having nothing to do with it,  capturing Jewish towns before fighting the Red army, something doesn't make sense.

[Plawranc]

Hitler was a complete idiot in his pusuits and utterly insane in his ideals.

We shouldve sent a sniper team after him.