JU 52

[ScottyK]

  Just for some variety other than the C47s.  I feel i would work well for FSOs... scenarios....AvA and for people who like to post historical based missions.  Let the flaming beging because i did not list the aircrafts dimensions...time of use and other info. I just assumed the majority of people who played/play this game have a somewhat good knowledge of military aircraft and its history.                 (S)

[100goon]

me mentioned before i know it, but not its own topic, +! 

[MachFly]

 

[Simba]

Good idea, you could mount a magnetised ring on it as well and use it for minesweeping.

 

[beau32]

Good idea, you could mount a magnetised ring on it as well and use it for minesweeping.

 

Yeah, if we had mines. Im all for the Ju 52. So +1

[gyrene81]

You're not the only one Scotty:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270207.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,188440.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,213978.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,211109.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158579.0.html

Look at the dates...would have been nice to get a Ju-52 instead of an uber P-47 that was barely produced and had little impact on the U.S. war effort.

[MachFly]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270207.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,188440.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,213978.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,211109.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158579.0.html

DaddyAck brings up a good point in one of thous threads:    

1.Would give German squads a plane that can drop troops (a c-47 escourted by 109s looks lame)

[Mister Fork]

And it was armed too.   But a nice Ju-52 would definately help out the Luftwaffe in the SEA and the AvA.  Ju 52/3mg5e variant please. I think it was the most one produced for military purposes.  And the ones with the M-15 defensive guns too.

[Saxman]

DaddyAck brings up a good point in one of thous threads:    

And I'll bring up the point I make in the same ones:

Even in special events there's VERY little, if any, place for the Ju-52. At least in FSO all capture objectives I've seen are run with M3s/Jeeps and 251s. The times I've been in AVA I've rarely, if ever, seen base capture active. And how often are base captures used in Scenarios and Snapshots? I'm willing to bet that as with FSO, most captures are run using GVs for troops, not C-47s.

And as for the Mains:

It's armed, but it'll be no more survivable than a Kate. Its performance is actually poorer than the C-47, so there's almost a guarantee she'll be a hangar queen in there.

No mains utility + limited if any Events utility = bottom of the priority scale.

[gyrene81]

And I'll bring up the point I make in the same ones:

Even in special events there's VERY little, if any, place for the Ju-52. At least in FSO all capture objectives I've seen are run with M3s/Jeeps and 251s. The times I've been in AVA I've rarely, if ever, seen base capture active. And how often are base captures used in Scenarios and Snapshots? I'm willing to bet that as with FSO, most captures are run using GVs for troops, not C-47s.

And as for the Mains:

It's armed, but it'll be no more survivable than a Kate. Its performance is actually poorer than the C-47, so there's almost a guarantee she'll be a hangar queen in there.

No mains utility + limited if any Events utility = bottom of the priority scale.

Higher than the P-47M though.

Ever think that the reason for vehicles being used to transport troops in special events for the Germans was because they weren't allocated aerial troop transports? Or perhaps the people who spec'd out the event didn't consider the possibility that aerial troop drops were used instead of ground vehicles? I've seen several event that should have had C-47s for the allies but didn't.

Add it based on the same parameters as everything else that has been added and see what use it gets.

[Karnak]

Higher than the P-47M though.

Ever think that the reason for vehicles being used to transport troops in special events for the Germans was because they weren't allocated aerial troop transports? Or perhaps the people who spec'd out the event didn't consider the possibility that aerial troop drops were used instead of ground vehicles? I've seen several event that should have had C-47s for the allies but didn't.

Add it based on the same parameters as everything else that has been added and see what use it gets.

They sub in things for missing aircraft when they need to, so if they really needed a Ju52 they'd have done the scenario with C-47s instead.  The fact is that the C-47 never gets used in scenarios, and the Ju52 would not either.

In the MA I'd much rather have an extra 50mph than some light guns and even those who think otherwise now would quickly come to the same conclusion.  Only dedicated German themed squads would use the Ju52 regularly.

You cannot compare adding the P-47M, which required no graphics work at all and only a new flight model by Pyro, with adding an entirely new, multi-engine, multi-crew position, aircraft.  The amount of required work by HTC is completely different.

I wouldn't mind seeing it added eventually and it certainly has a place.  It just isn't as useful as it looks at first glance.

[gyrene81]

They sub in things for missing aircraft when they need to, so if they really needed a Ju52 they'd have done the scenario with C-47s instead.  The fact is that the C-47 never gets used in scenarios, and the Ju52 would not either.

Then that is a setup problem. Where appropriate aircraft are available, they should be used. A lot of it has to do with the overall objectives...sometimes it's base capture, sometimes it's simple destruction, other times it's sea battles.

Only dedicated German themed squads would use the Ju52 regularly.

Yes and there are more important planes and some ground vehicles missing from the set that have the potential of greatly improving special events. Along you're line of thinking, we could easily have at least 2 more models of Ju-87 with more widely variable (light to heavy) loadouts...which would make for some really great early and midwar events.

You cannot compare adding the P-47M, which required no graphics work at all and only a new flight model by Pyro, with adding an entirely new, multi-engine, multi-crew position, aircraft.  The amount of required work by HTC is completely different.

With programming, once a foundation is laid, it's not difficult to add/subtract from it to produce a different outcome. I'm betting the 3d software Pyro uses has the ability to morph objects fairly easily too. Take the Brewster and I-16 for example...2 different planes, 1 base model. All I'm saying is the Ju-52 and several other planes are viable additions that could and should be considered before such things as the P-47M and the proposed WWI setup. I understand the premise behind thier motivation for proceeding as they have but...without much more effort some things could be done for the better without much more effort than has already been put forth.

[Saxman]

I'm betting the 3d software Pyro uses has the ability to morph objects fairly easily too. Take the Brewster and I-16 for example...2 different planes, 1 base model.

What happened with the P-47M is that it used the exact same airframe as the bubble-topped P-47D. It is NOT the same as taking a "base model" and morphing it into two entirely different airframes, which by the way is NOT how 3D modeling works. If two airframes don't share common components then you wouldn't take the model for one and change it into another (Brewster and I-16 are two ENTIRELY different models, with nothing in common between them). You'd build two separate models entirely.

[Simba]

Gimme a Ju52, I want to send that all-time favourite message 'Broadsword calling Danny Boy' just before I prang it into a mountain.

 

[Karnak]

With programming, once a foundation is laid, it's not difficult to add/subtract from it to produce a different outcome. I'm betting the 3d software Pyro uses has the ability to morph objects fairly easily too. Take the Brewster and I-16 for example...2 different planes, 1 base model. All I'm saying is the Ju-52 and several other planes are viable additions that could and should be considered before such things as the P-47M and the proposed WWI setup. I understand the premise behind thier motivation for proceeding as they have but...without much more effort some things could be done for the better without much more effort than has already been put forth.

You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Brewster and I-16 share nothing graphically.