Stop Lancstuckas

[LCCajun]

I know this has been wished for, but I feel the need to bring it up again. I don't mind if I am in a gv and somebody dive bombs me in a fighter, but being dive bombed by lancs is gamey, and yes I do realize this is a game. I would like for HTC to fix this. Let the flaming begin.

[Simba]

No flame from me, I agree with you.

 

[thndregg]

I'm all for the proper, historical roll of all of the heavy bombers featured here. But, there's always going to be the gamey side. (sigh)

[Yossarian]

I know this has been wished for, but I feel the need to bring it up again. I don't mind if I am in a gv and somebody dive bombs me in a fighter, but being dive bombed by lancs is gamey, and yes I do realize this is a game. I would like for HTC to fix this. Let the flaming begin.

It's a fine idea, and I like it, but the key word is HOW?

There is no practical way to fix this - what can you do - prevent bombs from being dropped with a significantly negative rate of descent?  Yeah, it might work, but then you run into other problems.  What about someone bombing GVs in a B-25H?  They've got no bombsight, so suddenly you have one bomber where you need to allow bombs to be dropped whilst in a dive.  Then the same will probably go for the TBM, the SBD, IL-2, A-20 and so on.  Essentially, your 'solution' has just gotten extremely complicated.

What I'm trying to say is that preventing bombs from being released in a dive would prevent lancstukaing, but it would create other problems - a few of which I mentioned above.  Additionally, if you did take that measure, you'd be detracting from one key freedom in the game - the ability to do what you want in a plane, wherever and however you want to do it.  That is NOT something I'd like to see happen at all.

Plus, if you couldn't lancstuka, people would just find other ways to do it.  Maybe very low, but still level Lanc carpet bombing.  Think of the whines that would cause.

[AirFlyer]

I think one idea that HiTech seemed to like was modeling bomb collisions within the bomb-bay or something of that matter. Not sure what will come of it though.

[Simba]

"What about someone bombing GVs in a B-25H?  They've got no bombsight, so suddenly you have one bomber where you need to allow bombs to be dropped whilst in a dive."

Quite - but not in a steep dive. Add a li'l code to the types of bombers that drop their load out of internal bomb-bays; 'more than 30 degrees nose-down and the bombs detonate within the bomber' would fix it, while still allowing realistic drops from the B-25, B-26, TBM et al.

 

[1701E]

"It's a fine idea, and I like it, but the key word is HOW?" -Yoss

Maybe it can somehow be done so that bombs can not be released in a dive when formation is enabled.  Would remove that part, but as you said they could just go level and carpet bomb.  Maybe make it so you have to be in F6 view to release bombs when in formation?

Just throwing out ideas.

[Yossarian]

"What about someone bombing GVs in a B-25H?  They've got no bombsight, so suddenly you have one bomber where you need to allow bombs to be dropped whilst in a dive."

Quite - but not in a steep dive. Add a li'l code to the types of bombers that drop their load out of internal bomb-bays; 'more than 30 degrees nose-down and the bombs detonate within the bomber' would fix it, while still allowing realistic drops from the B-25, B-26, TBM et al.

 

I routinely dive bomb from B-25Hs at far steeper angles than 30 degrees...yeah, I'm a bomb****, but man is it fun 

And 1701E, that's a great idea! 

[Karnak]

"What about someone bombing GVs in a B-25H?  They've got no bombsight, so suddenly you have one bomber where you need to allow bombs to be dropped whilst in a dive."

Quite - but not in a steep dive. Add a li'l code to the types of bombers that drop their load out of internal bomb-bays; 'more than 30 degrees nose-down and the bombs detonate within the bomber' would fix it, while still allowing realistic drops from the B-25, B-26, TBM et al.

 

30 degrees is probably steeper than most Lancasters doing that in AH are doing it at.  Also, have you looked at a Lancaster's bomb bay?  There is nothing to stop it from doing it reality.  It wasn't a deep bomb bay like on the B-17.

[Nemisis]

Yeah, but if a 4k bomb hit the fuselage anywhere, then your gona feel it. It may have knocked the plane off course.

[Karnak]

Yeah, but if a 4k bomb hit the fuselage anywhere, then your gona feel it. It may have knocked the plane off course.

It wouldn't hit the fuselage is what I am telling you.  Somebody posted the max allowable angle of release for Lancasters a couple of years ago and it was pretty steep.

[Rich46yo]

The other day I was defending a Vbase which was near an enemy airbase with some Alt.

Wave after wave of Lanc-stukas flew in, flung their ords out, and then bailed for another re-do. It was so gamey I not only left the base but left the arena, sick with the thought players like that were in our game.

Boy was that cheesy. And not just the stuka'ing, but also the bailing and re'upping right away with another set of useonceandthrowawayLancasters .

[Larry]

Lancstuckaing happens so much in the MW that its patethic. Because of the low numbers in there a 'strongly held' Vbase has maybe five flackers defending if you're lucky. One or two sets of lancs come in and its all over with. IMO lancs should be perked in the MW.


Again IMO anything with a bombsite and drones excluding the Ju88s should not be able to drop bombs outside the F6 mode.

[Ghosth]

How is simple.

Depending on the plane and the bombs loaded, releasing at more than a 15 - 20 degree downward angle would have one or more bombs impacting the planes frame. Chances are they wouldn't go off, as they haven't armed yet. But it could still do significant damage to the frame.

So for "level bombers" only,  make it so that damage would send you back to the tower.

Anything with dive flaps, or externally hung bombs like the A20 should not have a problem.
(Ju-88)

[waystin2]

I agree it needs to be fixed.  How?  I will leave that to HTC...