Author Topic: MiG-15 vs F9F Panther: was name this plane (13) (Read 8068 times)

Dmitry · « **Reply #75 on:** March 22, 2001, 05:49:00 PM »

Yep lets talk shadow conspiracy - lets change a subject for a moment.

How about that US has never landed on the Moon? I have not for 1 second think that this has never happened and yet there press is almost silent. Whats up with that?

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Dmitry · « **Reply #76 on:** March 22, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »

Boroda Thanks a lot for the book, sry whole day was out - just came few hours ago and saw mail. BTW waited like 20 + min to get that book, if you want i can make it in Adobe Acrobat format. That way you will have your cortecy OCR by ... and I can publish it on some more or less fast server like I-drive or freedrive etc...
Thanx a lot

P.S. As i understood correctly there are like 20 + pages to go? If you will decide to finish it then plz consider adding a tittle and back pages where publicity info typed

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Raubvogel · « **Reply #77 on:** March 22, 2001, 07:47:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dmitry:
Yep lets talk shadow conspiracy - lets change a subject for a moment.

How about that US has never landed on the Moon? I have not for 1 second think that this has never happened and yet there press is almost silent. Whats up with that?

Are you trying to say the US never landed on the moon?

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #78 on:** March 22, 2001, 08:29:00 PM »

Dmitry · « **Reply #79 on:** March 22, 2001, 09:12:00 PM »

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Are you trying to say the US never landed on the moon?

lol that is exactly what i said - loud and clear

lol i dont know which part of that u didnt understand?

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Tac · « **Reply #80 on:** March 22, 2001, 09:19:00 PM »

F-86's were sometimes painted with F-80 markings so that MIGS would come down and engage.

Mig-17's rewl

I doubt the accounts of both sides as far as K:L ratios, but I do believe the US did have a distinct advantage over the MIGs in the conflict. Why? All US pilots were throughfully trained, most MIG pilots were not. That there was a crack soviet squad or a highly skilled US squadron out there chalking up kills is possible, but the fact still remains that MIGs were not always piloted by average-skilled pilots, when the US in comparison, had highly trained pilots in all their planes.

"Are you trying to say the US never landed on the moon"

It doesnt matter if they did or did not. The USSR was the first in space. I am glad a dog was first in space too (LAIKA).

Why doesnt it matter if they did go to the moon or not? With current tech we can anyway, so to heck with conspiracies and stuff

Matter of fact, im quite surprised we dont have a habitat on the moon now (heck maybe there is but we aint being told. wee!)

Maybe the IJN beat us to it and those $#@$# n1k's have been up there making rice cakes and dancing with the rabbits

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #81 on:** March 22, 2001, 09:23:00 PM »

Is it just me or does anyone else get the vibe that dimitry has some soft spot for Soviets? Maybe we should send him back in time so he can live with communists again and shoot down Americans in his superior MiGs... but in the end the good ol' USA gets the last laugh because communism in the USSR failed and now their country is living in a crap economy--all because they wasted all their resources on the superior MiGs--ironic isn't it? In the end I could care less what kind of k/d the F86s got, wouldn't care if it was 8:1 in favor of MiGs. Only thing that matters is that those superior MiGs contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end to their oppressive grasp on Eastern Europe that ruined the lives of so many.

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Raubvogel · « **Reply #82 on:** March 22, 2001, 11:54:00 PM »

Well this thread went from unbelievable to simply ridiculous in a hurry. I've learned that the Soviets shot down the entire Finnish Air Force twice in Karelia. They shot down 90% of all the F-86s ever deployed to Korea. The United Stated never landed on the moon. Joseph Stalin invented the Internet. Man, what an education I've gotten. I think that's all the data I can stand for now.

Raubvogel out.

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Pongo · « **Reply #83 on:** March 23, 2001, 12:36:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Is it just me or does anyone else get the vibe that dimitry has some soft spot for Soviets? Maybe we should send him back in time so he can live with communists again and shoot down Americans in his superior MiGs... but in the end the good ol' USA gets the last laugh because communism in the USSR failed and now their country is living in a crap economy--all because they wasted all their resources on the superior MiGs--ironic isn't it? In the end I could care less what kind of k/d the F86s got, wouldn't care if it was 8:1 in favor of MiGs. Only thing that matters is that those superior MiGs contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end to their oppressive grasp on Eastern Europe that ruined the lives of so many.

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Thats where your biased capatalist upbringing shows Nath. The East block was one big happy party from 1917 till 1997. Any information to the contrary is just propaganda.

Boroda · « **Reply #84 on:** March 23, 2001, 05:14:00 AM »

Ïîðà çàâÿçûâàòü. Íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñòàíäàðòíîå ïîëîñêàíèå ìîçãîâ íà òåìó "âñå ðóññêèå - êîçëû". Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ñî âðåìåí õîëîäíîé âîéíû íå èçìåíèëîñü íè÷åãî.

Åñëè Âîæäü Øèðîêîå Êðûëî î÷åíü õîðîøî îáðàçîâàí è òîëåðàíòåí, òî îñòàëüíûå "îïïîíåíòû" ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ íå çàñëóæèâàþò âíèìàíèÿ. Îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå êàê áûñòðî îíè ñêàòèëèñü íà ìåòàíèå ôåêàëèé â ñòèëå "ñàì äóðàê". Íó, âèíèòü èõ â òîì ÷òî îíè íàñòîëüêî çàøîðåíû ïðîñòî íåëüçÿ, àìåðèêàíåö â ðóññêèõ íüþñãðóïïàõ ïîëó÷èë áû ãîðàçäî áîëåå ñèëüíûé îòïîð.

I think this discussion has come to a standard end that I watched many-many times on the Net.

Some last comments: 335 MiGs lost is a number of all Soviet MiGs lost at any conditions. Again: from all planes lost by a first "shift" of a 64th IAK 40% was lost not in combat.

-lynx- · « **Reply #85 on:** March 23, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »

Sorry Verm - I sorta went to far extarpolating what you'd said.

Nath-Raub - see how easy it is to paint everything with the same brush: Russian = Communist. I think that after the Cold War brainwashing in the West it's difficult if not impossible to separate the two

. Now lets try the same: German = ... How's that?

Raub - I'm sorry to point this out but you did loose - Indochina is still under Communits rule (50 years on) with South Korea the only "non-communist" state there (it's not really "democratic", is it?) and we all know that if you guys went home tomorrow it would be overrun in a matter of minutes...

Nath - the very same MiGs (or , rather, their very existence) kept your industry on it's toes and in booming business for years, why can't you stop biting the hand that fed you for so long you ungrateful bum you?

As for "oppressive grasp" - it was far less noticeable in the Eastern block than it was inside the SU itself.

This topic is so far off-topic now that it needs to be moved somewhere or closed...

funked · « **Reply #86 on:** March 23, 2001, 08:25:00 AM »

LOL Ghosty

At some point in our lifetimes, somebody outside the US will have the technology to image the landing sites on the moon, and I hope you enjoy seeing the footprints and all the other artifacts left by the Apollo astronauts.

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Dmitry · « **Reply #87 on:** March 23, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »

Yeah sorry Boroda - I think I killed it

BTW i couldn decode yourlast post (unredable)

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Dmitry · « **Reply #88 on:** March 23, 2001, 09:43:00 AM »

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LOL Ghosty

at least Funked here have some scence of humor
<S> Funked

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Boroda · « **Reply #89 on:** March 23, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »

Dima, it's just the way things are. All East-West discussions end up in discussing evil commies and money-thirsty yankees.

Nobody's fault. Main question is "who won WWII", and I think that it's useless to discuss it with most of the Americans. I just don't want to go down to that level here, there are many other flammable threads around. Can't wait till someone will invent something as funny as mr. Jay Littman's "imbecilic communist bastard"

As for the Russian text - it looks OK for me both in Opera and MSIE 5.5 in Cyrillic Windows encoding (CP1251).

BTW, I scanned the book up to p.120, more then a half done, will continue this evening. I'll better zip it and mail the file to you.

If anyone is interested in this book - mail me and i'll send it to you.

Starting another thread in History forum, will try to go on without political/nationalist crap.

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