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Offline Kweassa

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« on: December 12, 2001, 02:14:00 AM »
Did anyone notice that the charts of 190A8 and 190F8 at Planes, Vehicles and Boats section are identical??

 I've noticed some errors concerning infos about loadouts and etc. (ie. F4U-1D listed as armed with 20mm cannons), but I think this is the first time I've noticed two different planes have identical charts. (except of course, F4U-1D and F4U-1C)

 What does this mean? Does this mean a) AH 190F8 and 190A8 performs the same, or b) wrong chart is up there??

 
 Can anyone clarify? I definatelt don't think the speed and climb of A8 and F8 should be the same...

Offline Raubvogel

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2001, 02:42:00 AM »
The A8 and F8 certainly don't perform the same in the game.

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2001, 04:59:00 AM »
who is best for furrballs?, A8 or F8?.
I usually fly the d9 or f5, but never really tried a/f8 in a furrball

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »
Either of them are bad news in a furball, they are not turners - you gotta have lots of alt, lots of speed, and don't turn.  The A8 is  pretty potent buff killer though.

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
Fw190A8 does good in places where isn't too many people, but still more than one on one fight.
Though, with advantage theres chance to go 1 on 1 in Fw190A8 against any plane and do couple bounces before forced to run away or try your luck in closer fight with the enemy.

If there isn't enough people around, it might mean you'll just get stuck in 1 on 1 fight and then reinforcements can be enemy sided - then you're in trouble.
If theres many people, it usually means theres those "hawks" at 20-25k floors, who might get fixated at you.
Since you can't really afford to fly above 20k in A8, theres more reasons to avoid those.

If its situation where your side is fightning around enemy field, then you have pretty good chances in A8.
Since you don't have to be afraid of "hawks" and theres fairly constant friendly force coming to the field.

One important thing to remember is to not go too low, where you can't dive to run.
Something like 3000-6000 feets... it can vary alot on situation around the area and terrain.


okey, theres some things that will keep A8 alive for while (assuming he don't need to be told how to fight the fights  :))

..with the experience of 278 kills without deaths.

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2001, 12:24:00 AM »
What I wonder is if the charts for the 190s are correct at this point. I seem to notice these small errors (such as the F8 and A8 charts being the same..) and getting suspicious about it. Combine it with posts of 190A-5 sea-level speed charts RAM posted and.. well.. I'm sure it's not some sort of doofy anti-LW conspiracy, but it would be reassuring if somebody could clarify these things.

 I own a little Korean AH site to help out Koreans new to AH, and I was putting up plane screenshots+little history+performance charts provided by AH.. now I'm not sure how much of those charts I can trust and put on.

 Sort of dumbfounded now.. it's been sometime since I've pointed out other sorts of errors, such as the A6M5 listed with only one machine gun, or F4U-1D listed with 20mm cannons... but these stuff, which are so obviously wrong, still goes by uncorrected.

 I'd really appreciate it if HTC took time to correct these matters. Small things count as much as the big things, and naturally, as a trusting customer, I expect the best.. both the game AND the web pages..

 Sorry if this was a ranting.. :( I don't want to pressure anybody in HTC who are probably busy already..  :)

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2004, 04:00:16 PM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Sorry if this was a ranting.. :( I don't want to pressure anybody in HTC who are probably busy already..  :)


Im sure they are ok with it :)

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2004, 04:34:42 PM »
There is a common misconception that the F series and A series performed the same.  They did not.

The FW-190F8 externally is no different from an FW-190A8 jabo-einsatz's (outboard cannon removed).

Internally there is a big difference.  The F series is a speciallized ground attack varient.  Internally if carries a lot more armour and speciallized ground attack systems.  It also has extra drag from external hardpoints.

The F and G series just do not develop the performance the A series does in the air due to this weight and drag.

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« Last Edit: December 18, 2004, 04:52:34 PM by Crumpp »

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2004, 04:47:56 PM »
The F seemed to climb a tiny bit better than the A8 when I was playing around offline.  

I usually don't fly the F-8 at all, so other than that I couldn't tell you much about the performance other than that I find it markedly poor, without the firepower to make up for it.

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2004, 04:49:49 PM »
oh. :) :)

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2004, 04:54:41 PM »
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I usually don't fly the F-8 at all, so other than that I couldn't tell you much about the performance other than that I find it markedly poor, without the firepower to make up for it.


IMO the F8's performance is right on.  Only  thing I would suggest for HTC is to increase the variety of ordinance it could carry so it can have it's true capabilities.

Maybe more correctly model the "Grossebombenelectrik".  This would give the pilot the ability to set fuse delays and drop patterns for up to eight weapons at a time.

As for the Antons, Pyro is going to redo the FM on them using Luftwaffe data.

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« Last Edit: December 18, 2004, 04:59:24 PM by Crumpp »

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2004, 05:01:56 PM »
is this the time to mention the timline of these posts :)

i dug it up from along time ago, but maybe they still apply :cool:

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2004, 05:09:12 PM »
They do in regards to the F8.

Crumpp

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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2004, 04:01:39 AM »
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Originally posted by Crumpp
There is a common misconception that the F series and A series performed the same.  They did not.

The FW-190F8 externally is no different from an FW-190A8 jabo-einsatz's (outboard cannon removed).

Internally there is a big difference.  The F series is a speciallized ground attack varient.  Internally if carries a lot more armour and speciallized ground attack systems.  It also has extra drag from external hardpoints.

The F and G series just do not develop the performance the A series does in the air due to this weight and drag.

Crumpp


I agree Crumpp.
Also need the PANZERBLITZ rockets with AP & HE heads and the centerline rack that will carry the 4 small 110lbs bombs.
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190A-8 and 190F-8 ... identical performance??
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2004, 05:26:50 AM »
Agreed Jester,

the F8 usually configured with 8x 110lbs
Bombs (4x in a centerrack and 2x under
each wing). The G variants usually have
the bigger 250 or 500 bombs we can load
in AH.

The Panzerblitz are 3 to 4 rockets mount
on each wing with AP /HE load to kill tanks.
We need it in addition to the Soviet
IL2 Sturmovik for scenarios.