HTC please check 190 damage model

[hazed-]

ok ive been flying in every type of plane in AH and none get hurt by ack the way the 190 does.
In a 190F8 you are even more likely to get killed by ack it seems!.I thought the F8 was much tougher..more like the JUG etc but if ack pings you i GARENTEE you will either lose your tail or your engine.
PLEASE HTC check this out......
as I have stopped doing jabos because its like flying a paper plane!
even the 109 seems to survive hits better than the 190 and that CANT be right.
If you leave other 190s the same and just toughen the F8 then thats fine but something just isnt right with their strengh.


hazed

[BigJoe]

Agree, used fly Jabo alot I hop in an F8 today I drop all ord on a VH reverse for ack, I fire on ack pull up and start to extend for another pass, "PING!" engine is out again!  This is getting old we got bombers that have laser ammo, ack that has laser ammo, Jabos that engine goes out on a single ping. It seems my choices are gradually being narrowed down to fighters against fighters all in the name of game play.  Another one is the Ta152 50 perks to fly high altitude where nobody else goes other than the occasional bomber and who the heck wants to pee 50 perkies away trying to attack one of those things.

[AKSeaWulfe]

It depends on the size of the ack hazed. My only time I flew a Fw-190F8 I was jumped by a D9. I must of sustained 13 or 14 20mm hits before half of one of my wings fell off.

In the case of the ack, I've lost an entire wing from a single hit in the Jug. I think it's just because of the 40mm shells.

Now if they were to keep the .50s tracking as fast as they are now, slow down the 20mms and how fast they can re align with a target and then slow down the 40mms more and also slow down how quickly they can re-align on a target, then you've got a winning combination.
-SW

[Wingnut_0]

Hitech, hazed isn't pulling your leg on this one either.  8 out of 10 times in the F-8 I've lost an engine on the 1st set of pings from either AA or a bomber.  I will use a 109 to deack a field vs. F8 cause it's more sturdy..hehe.

"Some" will think it's a varity of factors but many, many ppl have noticed the F8's ability to draw all hits in the Engine first off..  Any looking into it would be appreciated.

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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
 

The quality of the box matters little.  Success depends upon the man who sits in it  -  Baron Manfred von Richthofen

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[Jekyll]

It's not just the F8 guys, its the whole 190 line which seems overly vulnerable in the engine department.

Here's an example .... in my last 10 flights in a 190, on 7 occasions the first enemy ping killed my engine stone dead.

The other three flights I received no pings at all and landed uneventfully.

7 flights ... every single one where the only damage to my aircraft was a dead engine.. and that on the very first burst received.

Something's weird.

[Vermillion]

My guess is that it isn't the 190 engine or any other planes damage model. I would guess that it has too do with the way Ack is aimed, becuase it seems quite consistent that the engine hit is most common when under fire from AAA.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Sturm]

Nope it is the 190's, D9 hit in radiator gone in 20 seconds.  F8 all but useless, takes forever to kill a Ossie in it.  Seems to be I lose the engine and vertical stabilizer first.  I love the dora just not its engine.  I stopped flying it for a bit do to this.

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[flakbait]

Just as a hunch I dug up an old post of Hotseat's from memory. This was a while ago, so if I'm wrong do forgive me. He mentioned the problem with one ping deaths from ack was caused by the ack aiming for the pilot's head. He modified something and fixed it, at least temporarily. I'm guessing that he told the ack to aim for the plane as a whole, instead of a single piece (your head). If this is the case here then Pyro or HT could change the ack code so it aims for the aircraft, and not the engine.

Unfortunately, when you're diving in to kill the ack your engine will take most of the damage; it's the biggest part visible to the gunner.

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Delta 6's Flight School
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"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
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[Naudet]

I wonder why the D9 is the only liquid cooled inline engine plane, that has so bad probs with the radiator.

In fact the FW190 had an armored radiator ring, should make it pretty tough, cause i didn't read anything on armor on other liquid cooled engined planes like the BF 109, P51 or Spit. They should be atleast as vulnarable to radiator hits like the D9.

On the other hand, should the radial engine of the F8,A8 and A5 be able of taking pretty much punishment. It was not uncommon that a BMW 801 engined FW returned to base with 1 or 2 cylinders dead or blown away.


Atm in AH the FWs seem to be the only planes that really suffer from engine hits. In no other plane i lost my engine after taking dmg.

[Sturm]

Naudet, I was just thinking the same thing.  The D-9 had an armored ring around the Jumo, another interesting fact the A8 was also heavily armored, Pilot and all.  I have started to learn how to fly the D9 better now, and I try and avoid any AA or ground fire.  What amazes me is how long other planes can go with a raditor hit.  Not the Fw's once it is hit cut the engine and start nursing it, I was able to glide back 1/2 a grid do to being at 12K and using the engine ever so slightly.  I feel the D9 is more of a weapon then the current Ta we have.  And i refuse to spend perk points on the 152 now.  3 flights 2 deaths    I think they really should look into this for the 190's    

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Vermillion]

Guys its not just the Fw190 that takes engine hits like that, where the engine dies right away. Its most if not all of the inline engines. Please don't start another "Its an anti-luftwaffe conspiracy" thread.

I personally know its the same in the Fw190D9, Yak-9U, Yak-9T, Me109G10, P-51B, and P-51D. They are all very prone to radiator hits and engine damage.

Naudet, the armored ring in the Fw190 is not heavy enough to protect much beyond rifle caliber MG's. Any HMG or bigger, will penetrate it without much effort. Plus the radial BMW801 engined Fw190's were very prone to engine fires due to its fuel injection design.

Armor information on the 190 A series.

 

 

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Sturm]

Verm gonna have to disagree with you on this one, I can nurse a G-10 or 51 back to base easily.  A FW not a chance.  A Yak well I have flown foreer with damaged engine and gotten back to base, it is all about watching the temperature, FW's sky rocket as opposed to other planes.  Especially radiator hits.  I thought the D9 was a much more stable gun platform then what we have now as well?  Not a conspiracy for luftwaffe AC but what I have found, I fly them all, if it is an AA problem correct it, if it is a FW problem fix it asap.  As it is now 109's for ground attack?  FW's for base defense?  Hmmm something isn't right.

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[straffo]

In fact there is something repetitive(sp?) in the damage we get (tiffi radiator for exemple).

But don't forget that a contrario to the real life (tm) we can
(1)allways replane
(2)we won't spend the end of the war in a POW camp
(3)wont be buried under 2 meter in a small box of wood ...

 

[This message has been edited by straffo (edited 03-20-2001).]

[Naudet]

Verm, i dont wanna start a "help its an anti-LW conspiracy".

I really like the D9 and even the F8, they are modeled real cool, and for the 1st time i have the feeling that the D9 is in a sim, what is was in WW2.

But really started to wonder, why the only reason i lose a FW in ground attack is a 1 ping engine kill, compared to other ground pounders (F4u-1C, tiffie. were i flew in, took a couple of hits and got out without probs.
1sr i though, hey its ur bad luck, but than i read all the threads in here and thought "hey thats what u experience too".

The F8 was pure ground pounder, and that cause of its ability to take punischment and get away.
The BMW801 is a radialy, air cooled engine, similar in structure to the P47 engine. Both should be tougher than the liquid cooled engines. But in fact the F8 engine is in my experience the most vulnerable of all.

And the late BMW801 were not so bad teased by engine fires, with the re-constructioning of the engine cooling in the A3 and A4 the BMW801 ran pretty good.

[Glunz]

190s do lose engines with first pings. Just my observation.