HTC please check 190 damage model

[Vermillion]

Naudet, its not just rate of fire (and remember most MG131's are synchronized) and muzzle velocity. There is also shell weight.  Kinetic Energy = 1/2 Mass * Velocity^2

Here is a comparison of the major powers Heavy Machine Gun relative lethality from my website:

Lethality(kJ)  Type       ROF/sec Weight Velocity(m/s)
303   12.7mm UBK MG Russian 17.50 48.00  850
231   12.7mm UBS MG Russian 13.34 48.00  850
220   .50 M2 Browning MG US 12.00 48.50  870
130   12.7mm Type I  Japan  10.84 38.00  796
112   13mm MG 131 Germany   12.12 34.60  730

As you can see the American M2 .50 fires a projectile that is 40% larger and 20% faster at the muzzle, combining for almost 200% of the lethality of a 13mm MG131.

Hazed, the reason I asked for this thread to not become another "anti-Luftwaffe conspiracy" thread, is not that you may be wrong about the 190's damage model. But that among the Luftwaffe community it is quite common to instantly jump to the defense of any Luftwaffe aircraft, and totally ignore any evidence that it may be a problem common to all aircraft, and then insinuate that its somehow planned for the US aircraft to be better.  How many times has this happened on other issues? Too many to count.

Sorry if you felt that this includes you, but thats the way Luftwaffe community in AH operates.  And as long as the Luftwaffe community continues to act this way, they are going to be labeled and treated according to the way they act and present themselves.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Sturm]

Verm read my post that is 12 stories up    This will explain why.

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[danish]

Hazed has got a point about the F8.Some of the problem is universal but still.
Recently have used the A8 and now F8 a good deal in the jabo role.If there is any difference in (engine) vulnerability it is only marginal.And as has been said especially the engine and pilot is the two main areas where the F8 benefit from increased protection.

All IMO, but Im pretty certain about this.

danish

[Flitze]

Verm, do you have any information of the armor of 190F8 ?
As far as I know F8 had reinforced frontal armor that included the windscreen. With the reinforced front and the radial engine the survivability (of the pilot) against the bomber boxes were (much ?) higher than e.g. for a 109 or a 190 without additional armor. Also useful against ground targets, but I doubt that the armor was good against a direct hit from flak or anything above cal 20mm.
My experience with ack: The key is speed not toughness. Once you're hit by flak, you're down regardless which plane you fly.

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