Perk the Ord

[BnZs]

Already discussed this one earlier in thread and realized it was indeed a catch-22, proposed that it would require giving everyone a certain amount of perks with their account and probably also doling out a certain amount of perks time to time just in case someone should happen to run their buff perks completely dry.

*raises hand*

question.


If we perk ord...then how will the new players and some of the old players be able to up a bomber since all the bombers beside the IL 2 and what the B25H have to up with ord ???

Riddle me this batman.



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JB76

[Gabriel]

I read that.

My comment was not the same. Hence the post.

[L0nGb0w]

*raises hand*

question.


If we perk ord...then how will the new players and some of the old players be able to up a bomber since all the bombers beside the IL 2 and what the B25H have to up with ord ???

Riddle me this batman.



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JB76

maybe only excessive amounts of ord would need to be perked, smaller loadouts are free like 250lb and down, 4-6 rockets, etc.

[trotter]

I like this idea a lot, but only if smaller bombs remain unperked. 250lbs and below should not be perked. This will still allow new players to use bombers. And will still encourage largescale city or strat bombing (whereas if the light 250 lbers were perked, I doubt many bomber missions would go deep behind enemy lines for carpet strat bombing, but not that many do now anyway).

I think, if ALL bombs were perked, the idea of a stipend as you described is a sensible workaround for new players, but is unnecessarily complicated as long as leaving an unperked lighter bomb option would solve the issue easier.

[Tilt]

Adding the  PTAB-2.5-1.5 clusters to the Il2 should carrry a perk IMO. (so its not just about individual weight its really about total loadout)

PTAB hollow charge cluster bombs  ( 4 x 48 bomb clusters or upto 280 across the 4 bomb bays) were not just used, but used almost continuouslly against tanks / armoured vehicles from mid 43 (Kursk) through to the end of hostilities. It was as  common (on the IL2) as the FAB general purpose bomb AH models.

One of these PTAB-2.5-1.5 could (apparently) penetrate upto 60-70mm of armour.

[Tilt]

Rem that perking is about putting a deposit on something. You only lose perk points if you dont bring it back!

So for ordinance either we are buying (spending perks) up front to aquire certain load outs or we make a deposit on the aircraft  based upon its loadout and only pay it if we do not bring the aircraft back.

I prefer the latter. ie if you bring the aircraft back you do not pay for the ord used. This will motivate folk not to suicide.

AH does not have to then levy the perk against individual bombs. It simply perks the loadout options available.

Should a Lancaster loaded with 1000lb'ers carry 7 x the perk of a P51 loaded with 1000lb'ers. (or even 21 times for formations) I suggest not.

And what was the more typical loadout? a P51 carrying 2000lbs or a Lancaster carrying 14000lbs? I suggest the latter.

Yet we could argue that a 3 cannon La7 should be perked but not a 2 cannon. We are not perking the additional 20mm cannon we are perking the total effective loadout.

The tools used here would then be the same as now.

Influence on game play and (to some lesser extent) historical validity.

Nothing to do with bomb size etc.

[oakranger]

I say bring on the B-29 and perk it.

[BnZs]

 

Rem that perking is about putting a deposit on something. You only lose perk points if you dont bring it back!

So for ordinance either we are buying (spending perks) up front to aquire certain load outs or we make a deposit on the aircraft  based upon its loadout and only pay it if we do not bring the aircraft back.

I prefer the latter. ie if you bring the aircraft back you do not pay for the ord used. This will motivate folk not to suicide.

AH does not have to then levy the perk against individual bombs. It simply perks the loadout options available.

Should a Lancaster loaded with 1000lb'ers carry 7 x the perk of a P51 loaded with 1000lb'ers. (or even 21 times for formations) I suggest not.

And what was the more typical loadout? a P51 carrying 2000lbs or a Lancaster carrying 14000lbs? I suggest the latter.

Yet we could argue that a 3 cannon La7 should be perked but not a 2 cannon. We are not perking the additional 20mm cannon we are perking the total effective loadout.

The tools used here would then be the same as now.

Influence on game play and (to some lesser extent) historical validity.

Nothing to do with bomb size etc.