Me 163

[1carbine]

I would like to see it able to up at the zone bases surrounding the strat city.

[BigPlay]

Yup, I'd say SR-71 was about as immune to aerial defence systems as U-2 was. Until it wasn't.
How many times SR-71 flew over actual warzone? How many SAMs were fired on it?

Besides, MiG-25 program gave Soviet Union fast, efficient and reliable long range interceptor and a very capable tactical reconnaissance aircraft. Remember, in the first Gulf War it was a MiG-25 that scored the first aerial kill, shooting down a F-18.

 Your information is incorrect. First the SR-71 flew over many war zones Vietnam being one and all of the Arab -Israel wars. The Sr flew much much faster and higher then the U2 so it was within the firing window of sams much shorter then the U2. Also the SR carried the most sophisticated counter measures for said missiles at the time. I don't know how many sams were fired at the SR but my guess is many. To my knowledge I do not believe any were shot down. The SR was more of a tactical eye in the sky since satelites obtained most of the strategic intel. Also it only had a 2900 mile range so it would need refueling if it flew over  the Soviet Union. My guess is it did do some airspace time over the Soviet Union but you and I may never know because many things pertaining to the Sr and it's capabilities are still classified.

If you read Gary Powers book you would come to understand the huge differences between the two aircraft.
The U-2 was a very lightly constructed aircraft that was slow flying in fact sub sonic if I remember correctly. Also at height the U2 suffered from constant flame out which was not that big a deal since it had a great glide ratio but contributed to more exposure time over it's target. At that time the U2 was impervious from fighter interception and considering that the thing was built so light that it didn't have an ejection seat my guess it it had little or no countermeasure systems to combat sams. Powers believes that when he was shot down it wasn't a direct missile strike to his aircraft. He observed many interceptors below him and upon hearing an explosion it was a few seconds before he realized that the plane was flying funny and then determined his aircraft had no tail. While hanging in his chute he noticed that there was someone else across from him hanging in a chute as well. He surmise that it was the Russian plane that was hit and the concussion was responsible for his tail being dislodged.

The Mig 25 was not considered a long range aircraft considering it only had about a 186 mile combat range and a 1000 mile internal flight range I would not consider it anything close to being long range.. Flying at the speed it was intended to cut that range considerably also flying at the speeds in excess of mach 2.5 reduced it's engine life in many cases to the one flight, so reliable was again not it's forte. It was for the most part obsolete when it came into service much to the fact that it was designed for a specialized role that soon became a non factor. It was then put into a service role where it played a small inept role .That being said it did become a good tactical recon plane of which it's high service ceiling provided. . The fact that it did shot down a F-18 means little in determining it's place in anyones air force. It was and still is an expensive plane to keep flying considering it's very limited combat capabilities.

[Strip]

The closest an SR-71 came to being shot down was a few small (less than 1") holes found on a stabilizer during the post flight walk around.

The amount of SAM's fired at the SR-71 is staggering by any measure, anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 depending on the source.

Strip

[BigPlay]

The closest an SR-71 came to being shot down was a few small (less than 1") holes found on a stabilizer during the post flight walk around.

The amount of SAM's fired at the SR-71 is staggering by any measure, anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 depending on the source.

Strip

sorry for the redundant info, I didn't see your previous post, all being true.

[Ack-Ack]

The closest an SR-71 came to being shot down was a few small (less than 1") holes found on a stabilizer during the post flight walk around.

The amount of SAM's fired at the SR-71 is staggering by any measure, anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 depending on the source.

Strip

I remember back in the '80s when North Korea fired a bunch of SAMs at an SR-71, of course each of them missed.


ack-ack

[kilo2]

Who's the kid now?  

EDIT:   http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,215507.0.html

You even admitted you made it up.   Which means, you're a "proven liar".   Now go back to playing pick up sticks.

You have made my morning with that post K. I wasnt here in 07 so that's the first time I have read that and  PRICELESS!

[Masherbrum]

You have made my morning with that post K. I wasnt here in 07 so that's the first time I have read that and   PRICELESS!

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You're welcome.    

[Krusty]

edit: thanks, got the PM

[WMLute]

Who's the kid now?  

EDIT:   http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,215507.0.html

You even admitted you made it up.   Which means, you're a "proven liar".   Now go back to playing pick up sticks.

One of the most hillarious threads ever on the BBS.  I think I was in tears the 1st time I saw the below pic.

Needs to be added to that "best thread of 2009" thread just so others can enjoy it.

[Masherbrum]

     I think I still have the Avatar that Speed55 made.   

[Ack-Ack]

One of the most hillarious threads ever on the BBS.  I think I was in tears the 1st time I saw the below pic.

Needs to be added to that "best thread of 2009" thread just so others can enjoy it.

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Ahh...The Story of How Serenity Saved the World from the Pineapple People.  God, I loved that story.


ack-ack

[Daubie]

re: Top of Thread Post
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Aces High is just a game!

ME-163 was fueled by hydrazine.

Why not model the plane to reality?

Most of the ones that made it back to base, exploded on landing of the remaining fuel left in its tanks.  Historical fact, I read it somewhere.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ME-163%2Bhydrazine&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw&tbo=0

Chuck Yeager almost suffered the same fate on one of the early rocket planes he flew, frantically shutting down valves behind him, trying to fly it, before he landed.  That account in his 1st book.

For that matter, why not incorporate winds?

Similarily, planes with short fuselages are usually a very high strung plane to fly aerodynamically and tricky to fly.  I question some of the planes in Aces High as being realistic flight models.  I'm not a programmer.  The effort put forth here is pretty cool despite reality checks.  The nature of the ME-163's wing may make it more flyable as a true delta wing would.

Fun plane, though, as is the game.

[Strip]

ME-163 was fueled by hydrazine.

While this not incorrect its not as accurate as it could be.....

The M-163 was powered by the hypergolic (ignited on contact) propellants T-Stoff and C-Stoff.

T-Stoff consisted of a methanol and hydrazine mixture...

C-Stoff consisted of a concentrated hydrogen peroxide and oxyquinoline (80/20)....

Strip

[Simba]

Which all-too-often blew the Komet and all those near it into very small pieces when mishandled.

Never trust your life to a rubber suit unless you're a undersea diver.

 

 

[W7LPNRICK]

The closest an SR-71 came to being shot down was a few small (less than 1") holes found on a stabilizer during the post flight walk around.

The amount of SAM's fired at the SR-71 is staggering by any measure, anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 depending on the source.

Strip

Had an SR make an emergency landing at a base I was stationed at. Of course they didn't have an extra deceleration (Drag)chute, so some general came over to our parachute shop, made everyone leave except me. I was the only one with a high enough security clearance. They had two cops stand there while I packed the drag chute. I thought it was over kill, but the entire aircraft & every bolt & screw were classified. Then a buddy of mine asked me to come up to the tower & watch it take off. I remember thinking, "Jeez, what an awkward, slow, nose high, pig." I must of had a sarcastic or bored look on my face, cause my Buddy said, "Just wait a minute. You'll see!" It disappeared like the Millennial Falcon leaving Tatooine with the storm trooper shooting at them.... Even made a little curl in a cloud when it skirted it. At that time he was radioing a commercial base to go above..... thousand feet. A few minutes chatting &, he was radioing a FAR distant base for landing instructions.  put put put