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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 04:52:21 PM »
Again avoiding political discussions, a civilian nuclear power program requires fuel, in the form of radioactive elements.  Fuel is less refined, weapons more refined.  If you have the facilities to make fuel, you have the facilities to make weapons.

So if you have the gas centrifuges to produce reactor grade uranium (3-4% U-235) you also have the capability to produce weapons grade uranium (>85% U-235)?

Sorry doesn't work that way.
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 04:56:08 PM »
Yes.....

Western designs are built to an extremely high level of safety with regards to external forces. While some reactors were supplied to the Iranians by the U.S. many were not. Their integrity under a severe event has been questioned.....

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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2009, 04:58:10 PM »
So if you have the gas centrifuges to produce reactor grade uranium (3-4% U-235) you also have the capability to produce weapons grade uranium (>85% U-235)?

Sorry doesn't work that way.

Sorry but that is correct, if only in theory...

Gas centrifuges operates less effectively than other methods once you reach a certain purity. However, it is possible to produce weapons grade Uranium-235 solely from centrifuges....

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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2009, 04:59:49 PM »
So if you have the gas centrifuges to produce reactor grade uranium (3-4% U-235) you also have the capability to produce weapons grade uranium (>85% U-235)?

Sorry doesn't work that way.

I'm staying out of the political part of this thread, so I won't go much farther.  But if you think a country would start a civilian nuclear power program, and not get into weapons, you're clinically insane.  If that was the case however, a country would simply buy its fuel for a much lower price, as many countries have offered to do, rather than enriching their own.  Even the U.S. purchases old nuclear weapons from Russia to fuel our own reactors...
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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2009, 04:59:59 PM »
Any threat should be taken seriously. In fact We KNOW that thyey have uranium producing facilities.

Capable of producing weapons grade uranium? Nope.

Iran's most enriched uranium is 20% U-235 and is used in their Zero Power research reactor in Tehran. It produces most of the radioisotopes used by Iran's hospitals. They have to import the fuel for that reactor from Russia and Argentina.
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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2009, 05:02:05 PM »
I'm staying out of the political part of this thread, so I won't go much farther.  But if you think a country would start a civilian nuclear power program, and not get into weapons, you're clinically insane.  If that was the case however, a country would simply buy its fuel for a much lower price, as many countries have offered to do, rather than enriching their own.  Even the U.S. purchases old nuclear weapons from Russia to fuel our own reactors...

"The following countries are known to operate enrichment facilities: Argentina, Brazil, China, France, Germany, India, Iran, Japan, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States. Belgium, Iran, Italy and Spain hold an investment interest in the French Eurodif enrichment plant, with Iran's holding entitling it to 10% of the enriched uranium output. Countries that had enrichment programs in the past include Libya and South Africa, although Libya's facility was never operational. Australia has announced its intention to pursue commercial enrichment, and is actively researching laser enrichment."

I must be clinically insane.
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2009, 05:03:45 PM »
Capable of producing weapons grade uranium? Nope.

Iran's most enriched uranium is 20% U-235 and is used in their Zero Power research reactor in Tehran. It produces most of the radioisotopes used by Iran's hospitals. They have to import the fuel for that reactor from Russia and Argentina.

Do they have the capability currently? No.....is the general consensus.

They do have the knowledge and components to do such task tho. Its a matter of configuration and time involved as the centrifuge process relies on massive amounts of them. Each centrifuge enriching only a small amount of U-235....

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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2009, 05:03:54 PM »
Yes.....

Western designs are built to an extremely high level of safety with regards to external forces. While some reactors were supplied to the Iranians by the U.S. many were not. Their integrity under a severe event has been questioned.....

Strip


Was just trying to clarify.  On that subject however, you should take a look at some of the newer Japanese designs that have been proposed for Japan.  It doesn't get much safer these days.  I saw the designs for one version, that had it's emergency cooling water built into a lake on top of a mountain.  So even if every possible bad thing happened, gravity would supply all the water they needed to keep the fuel from melting.  
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2009, 05:04:32 PM »
Capable of producing weapons grade uranium? Nope.

Iran's most enriched uranium is 20% U-235 and is used in their Zero Power research reactor in Tehran. It produces most of the radioisotopes used by Iran's hospitals. They have to import the fuel for that reactor from Russia and Argentina.

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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2009, 05:06:45 PM »
Two words, DIRTY BOMBS

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And why would you go through the entire process of having a nuclear program and enriching uranium just to make dirty bombs? Instead of buying the uranium, or using chemical/biological weapons?

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2009, 05:06:57 PM »
Do they have the capability currently? No.....is the general consensus.

They do have the knowledge and components to do such task tho. Its a matter of configuration and time involved as the centrifuge process relies on massive amounts of them. Each centrifuge enriching only a small amount of U-235....

Strip

Well.. we are talking 1940s tech here. Can we really bomb every country we don't like that gets to that level of technology?
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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2009, 05:08:21 PM »
Two words, DIRTY BOMBS

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You do realize that an X-Ray machine from any hospital would supply enough radioactive material to make a really messy dirty bomb right? 
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2009, 05:09:26 PM »
Well.. we are talking 1940s tech here. Can we really bomb every country we don't like that gets to that level of technology?

Only the nuclear programs that try to operate in secrecy and against international regulations...
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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2009, 05:09:53 PM »
Two words, DIRTY BOMBS

Thanks for playing.

Chemical/biological weapons are far easier, cheaper and much, much more deadly than a dirty uranium bomb. To say nothing of being less conspicuous to produce.
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« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2009, 05:11:46 PM »
Only the nuclear programs that try to operate in secrecy and against international regulations...

Are American nuclear programs open to public and international scrutiny?
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