He-111

[Motherland]

The CAF had both a Casa and a Heinkle and if you put both of them side by side it was hard to tell the difference, The apu jack was in a different place and the widows were a little different.  They were real close though.

You didn't notice the Merlins?

[Shifty]

That matters not, Italy was pretty big on bombers, but they have none, and in all likelyness, they never will.

You know this how??

[HighTone]

He-111 and the G4M would be great for several reason's. All for somthing else to shoot at 

[Krusty]

Trigger: see my previous post edit about it being EW (you're right on that), but the service record was sub-par for the most part.

Most of its career was spent as an aerial recon platform. A notable chunk of all made (1/3?) were night fighter variants. The rest did little other than anti-shipping duties (notably sinking an Italian battleship with guided bombs).

When they did carry bombs as a level bomber, it was infrequently and with heavy losses.

It's a footnote in the history of the war. Hardly worth including IMO, when far more representative planes fill its role (historically and in-game) so much better.

[Lusche]

You should read the history of KG2, which was one of the backbones of the LW bomber units in the West 40-44. It was almost exclusively equipped with Do 217s, and did use them only in a level bombing role. They keept attacking Britain even outside such well-known offensives like the Baedeker or Steinbock raids, even in single-plane daylight raids in 42/43.

Overall, it was far from being "infrequent" that the 217 carried out conventional bombing roles.

For example, in June 1943, 4 out of the 10 bomber Gruppen the "Angriffsführer England" had at his disposal were equipped with Do 217s.

It's no "footnote" and can fill a very important role in game - a more survivable mid/late war German bomber.

[Krusty]

The E was the first production model. All prior letters were pre-production prototypes and test models, etc.

217E-1: 94 built
E-2 185 built.
E-3 and E-4 combined: 258


E-5: anti shipping variant
K-1: special night bomber variant
K-2: anti shipping variant
K-3: anti shipping variant
M-1: special night bomber variant
M-11: anti shipping variant

All Js and Ns were night fighters, and there were a lot. 356 give or take.

Aside from the early 1940 E models, very few did any "normal bombing" (as defined by what Ju88s and Ju188s and He111s, and the like did). After early '41 it was almost a non-entity for bombing. It was a recon and anti-shipping platform, with a night fighter personality on the side.

[Lusche]

After early '41 it was almost a non-entity for bombing. It was a recon and anti-shipping platform, with a night fighter personality on the side.

This is simply not true.

You will have missed my edit above:

"For example, in June 1943, 4 out of the 10 bomber Gruppen the "Angriffsführer England" had at his disposal were equipped with Do 217s.". Just one example

The whole time from 41-44, Do 217 had provided a big part of the conventional bombers that attacked England more or less frequently.

[Lusche]

I'm also wondering why you didn't provide the numbers for the "special night bomber variants" K-1 and M-1. After all, it was no more "special" than the E series, which were also used mostly for night attacks - which had been dictated by circumstances.

Total built (bombers only):
E-1     94
E-2/E-4  629
K-1 220
M1- 438

[The Grinch]

Yes please. 

1+ 

[Plazus]

+1 for the HE-111. Another plane to the German planeset would be great. And just how effective were the HE-111 in its night fighter role?

[2ADoc]

Motherland, Most of the War birds have been modified to fit a different engine than they originally came with.  So you cant go by that.  For instance the A6m2 that the CAF rebuilt was not flown behind the Nakajima Sakae 31, it was flown behind the Pratt & Whittney 1830.  We did have to do some mods to the Motor mount, and the cowling.  Merlins and Allisons were at the time, easy to get, relativly speaking. 

[Motherland]

Motherland, Most of the War birds have been modified to fit a different engine than they originally came with.  So you cant go by that.  For instance the A6m2 that the CAF rebuilt was not flown behind the Nakajima Sakae 31, it was flown behind the Pratt & Whittney 1830.  We did have to do some mods to the Motor mount, and the cowling.  Merlins and Allisons were at the time, easy to get, relativly speaking. 

You generally (generally) won't find restored Luftwaffe birds with Merlins... just Spanish do-ups (like Buchons standing in for 109's or CASA 2.111's standing in for Heinkels). The CASA 2.111 (which never served in the war in the first place) was built at the factory with Merlins.
A lot of the reason for this I would imagine is simply because a Merlin installed on a German aircraft (or licensed production) is just hideous...

[BigKev03]

Italy wasn't big on anything, and certainly not bombers.
I don't see why you would say that.

I think the only thing Italy was big on was retreat and surrender.   

[Serenity]

[bagrat]

lol he said he wants it cuz the ju-88 is too fast


that aside +1 for he111