P-47M & N !! Gimme,gimme,gimme!!

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Fariz has a good point but I think it's limited. As much as people want new planes, they don't use it.
The comunauty begged for a new Jap plane, I bet the D30 is still way more used than the KI67. Most of us are expecting allied planes to help us revive the books/movies we saw about the period.
I think stricly marketing wise, a wide variety/types of allied planes is more justified than a wide variety/type of Jap planes. Imagine the full set of Ki43s like, great for scenarios, but in the MA, would they justify the time HTC took to model them?

[Karnak]

Frenchy,

A Ki-84-Ia Hayate would see more use than any P-47.  How can a P-47 be justified given its lower usage?

In my opinion it doesn't have to be.  Some aircraft need to be added just to fill a role and to make scenarios possible.

[-ammo-]

cant we have both? Russian, Japanese, whatever cratres and a shiny new P-47M or N.

look skyward fellas.

[Sancho]

Originally posted by Fariz:
At the moment USSR is represented in AH by 4 planes, Japan by 3. So, number of only jug variants = number of japanese planes. Seems unfair, is not it?

I agree completely. Bring us more Russian planes!  Start with a shiny new P-47D-21 in Russian 11th ZBAP markings!!  

Just kidding, I really would like to see a bigger Russian and Japanese planeset; the CT and scenarios demand these planes.  But as a jug fan, I also want to see a late war jug, especially for spending MA perks.

[GRUNHERZ]

Whats a ZBAP?

[fdiron]

In AH, P47 is meat on the table below 10k.  La7 or La5 can run them down then kill them.  They are just not much fun to fly 'historically'.  By historically I mean climbing to 30k and waiting for bandits to climb to engage you.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by fdiron:
In AH, P47 is meat on the table below 10k.  La7 or La5 can run them down then kill them.  They are just not much fun to fly 'historically'.  By historically I mean climbing to 30k and waiting for bandits to climb to engage you.

man the P-47 is an absolute blast to fly in AH.

[eddiek]

Hmm, I believe there was a pol started by Pyro on this. Ta 152 won quite a lot of votes.

Anyway, who cares about super Jugs when 262 is modeled ? . I agree on Spit XIV part though.

Yes, Hristo, the TA-152 won quite a few votes, but not as many as the Spit XIV did.
From what I came up with on the count, the Spit finished second in the voting only to the 190D9, was ahead of the TA152, 190F8, La7, Tempest, and F4U-4, all of which we already have!  

[Hristo]

I agree. Spit XIV should have been here a long ago. Much sooner than some planes already introduced.

Same goes for Ki-84.

I hope this will be solved in the next release. Can't wait for the thrill of meeting the XIV's in a D-9  .

[Lephturn]

Must have a perk jug.  Need a perk plane that's worth spending my points on.

As it would be a variant with likely the least work for HTC required, the M would likely be the best choice from that perspective.  Though I would love to see the N too.

And don't say "I'd rather have a Japanese/Russian/Italian/Whatever plane instead".  Those would not be a variant and would be a whole lot more work.  I agree we could use more of them, but if you want to argue it that way, what relatively easy variant would you rather have?  How about a variant that is a Perk?

[Karnak]

Of the potential perk fighters yet to be introduced for the US planeset, I think that the P-47M or N would be, by far, the least contraversial.  Unlike the P-51H, F7F, F8F and P-80, these versions of the P-47 saw combat.  Many people here see combat as the arbiter in what justifies and aircraft's being a WWII aircraft. I disagree with that, but my disagreeing doesn't change anything.

Hristo,

Unfortunately I doubt you will ever get that fight in AH.

The Spit pilot will see a bunch of enemy icons, one or more of which will be labled 190, that are all trying to kill him.

You will see an enemy with a Spit14 icon and a whole lot of your countrymen trying to kill him.

That is simply the fate of perk planes in AH, and perk planes that are slower than many free aircraft have it very, very rough.

[mrsid2]

Originally posted by -ammo-:


man the P-47 is an absolute blast to fly in AH.

I agree. And it can compete 0-15k ft in AH. LA7:s are a problem for it, but only when being attacked from disadvantage. If the jug uses a correct tactic, LA7 is killable.

What goes for other planetypes, they all are dangerous obviously. At least it's possible to outrun most of them with it. After a kill or two I usually find myself extending with 3-4 enemies blasting after me.. If one of them is an LA7 my only chance is to drag him far enough from the turnfighters to be able to fight him 1:1 when I have at least some chance of survival. As it is, I'm 8:0 against LA7 in D30 and 1:1 in D25.

[Lephturn]

I love fighting La7's.  Sure they can run, but they can't turn for beans.  As long as I have low fuel and even close to even E states, I'll take on an La7 any time with a Jug.

So long as your AUX is empty, the Jug isn't a bad stallfighter vs. an La7 even on the deck.  I find the Yak a far more dangerous opponent down on the deck, but you don't see them around very often.

[SageFIN]

Lephturn is correct. I'd also like to point out that the P-47 handles very nice. It might not turn the fastest but you can just yank and mangle it all the way around the sky and still retain control.

[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: SageFIN ]

[Zigrat]

vermillion

imo the air war was over with ve day. i would guess there were fewer than 50 a2a losses after ve day in the pacific - the japanese were just out of good pilots, and the us pilots were hitting their stride.