Auto Puffy Ack Question

[Shuffler]

Ok.  The way I understand that the puffy ack works is that it is randomly generated in a box around your aircraft. 

IMHO this is a misnomer...... the box is not around my aircraft but inside it. 

[pervert]

You should read a book about the Eighth Air Force someday.  Might change your opinion on flak.
More bombers were lost to flak, than to fighters...

Watched plenty of documentary's on it and I can't say it was ever focused on as a defining part of their what I most fear experience then again I wasn't there and neither were you 

And in war you don't have the luxury of not fighting just because you may die.

Well obviously, seriously whats next my a b c?

I can see what you are driving for here, my question is what does it have to do with my original gripe??? If you can find me an account of an aircraft being shot down with one shot shell at the limits of the guns range in real life please feel free to share it with me. That is basically my original gripe.

[warhed]

Watched plenty of documentary's on it and I can't say it was ever focused on as a defining part of their what I most fear experience then again I wasn't there and neither were you  

I can assure you, from nearly every account from an American bomber crew in WWII, flak was certainly a defining thing for them.  
I was not there, but luckily, hundreds of those who were have shared their memories and journals with others.  Some have written books, some have helped write books.
The fact is, more bombers were lost to ack, than to fighters.  
I'm sorry the history channel doesn't acknowledge how deadly and feared flak was.
Bombers were regularly shot down by puffy ack at altitudes of 20,000 feet and up.

[Shuffler]

I'm sorry the history channel doesn't acknowledge how deadly and feared flak was.
Bombers were regularly shot down by puffy ack at altitudes of 20,000 feet and up.

I've seen where flak was feared by buff crews..... on the history channel.

There is a lot of stories in books about how bad flak was. In that regard the flak is probably pretty close in AH. I know I fear it.  

[warhed]

[Shuffler]

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Yup... so thick you could walk on it. Never knowing where the next one would burst.

Not like watching a fighter and seeing where he was going to fire.

[warhed]

And as Lusche mentioned, they were radar guided.  If  that wasn't enough, German fighters would fly outside of American formations, relaying ground speed and altitude to the gunners below.  The point of showing that picture, was to show pervert how accurate they could be even with altitude.  As you can tell from looking at the ground, the B-24 is quite high.  As you can see the clouds of flak behind him, you can see what he just flew through.

[Shuffler]

I personally hate puffy ack in game....... so it must be pretty accurate as the crews pretty much said the same in RL. The difference of course is that I just get a new plane..... and I still hate flak.

[warhed]

I personally hate puffy ack in game....... so it must be pretty accurate as the crews pretty much said the same in RL. The difference of course is that I just get a new plane..... and I still hate flak.

Same here, I hate getting killed by a computer.  Although, at least the computer doesn't then get on 200 and claim it owns me 

[Shuffler]

Same here, I hate getting killed by a computer.  Although, at least the computer doesn't then get on 200 and claim it owns me 

Flak owns everyone 

[McDeath]

looks like we don't have enough...



from here http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/reference2l.html

[pervert]

And as Lusche mentioned, they were radar guided.  If  that wasn't enough, German fighters would fly outside of American formations, relaying ground speed and altitude to the gunners below.  The point of showing that picture, was to show pervert how accurate they could be even with altitude.  As you can tell from looking at the ground, the B-24 is quite high.  As you can see the clouds of flak behind him, you can see what he just flew through.

I appreciate the effort on your part with the pictures and yes there are hundreds of ack bursts but the picture being in existence alone is proof that the ack isn't that accurate ie blowing you out of the sky with the first shot the minute your in range as it does in the game. You seem to be not reading what I've wrote and instead are offering me up proof that lots of ack existed in ww2 which I never disputed.

The quote from McDeath's picture/post is pretty much the same as I hear on any programme I've ever watched on it. Stating that it was a psychological terror as much as a real threat. I'm not disputing that planes didn't get shot down by it but it doesn't say something like

 "as we crossed over the Mereseberg area hundreds of flak guns cut loose my plane was hit straight away and as I floated down in my chute I thought that flaks a nightmare!"

[BnZs]

It's not that bad. I have been flying 3 sorties now against the new strats and haven't lost a single bomber yet due to ack.

And therein lies the problem...the fact that the stuff is terribly ineffective against bombers yet deadly against fighters.

[warhed]

I appreciate the effort on your part with the pictures and yes there are hundreds of ack bursts but the picture being in existence alone is proof that the ack isn't that accurate ie blowing you out of the sky with the first shot the minute your in range as it does in the game. You seem to be not reading what I've wrote and instead are offering me up proof that lots of ack existed in ww2 which I never disputed.

The quote from McDeath's picture/post is pretty much the same as I hear on any programme I've ever watched on it. Stating that it was a psychological terror as much as a real threat. I'm not disputing that planes didn't get shot down by it but it doesn't say something like

 "as we crossed over the Mereseberg area hundreds of flak guns cut loose my plane was hit straight away and as I floated down in my chute I thought that flaks a nightmare!"

Why do you think they feared flak?  Because it looked scary?  No, because it regularly killed them as soon as it appeared.  One minute clear skies, the next they turned black with little puffy clouds, planes were ripped in half, wings taken off, tales blown apart.  One single shell from an 88 could easily kill anything we had in the sky.  And guess what?  It did.
Flak killed more bombers than even German fighters did.  
To say that flak was merely psychological terror is insane.  Read a book, the history channel and military channel are not going to be able to give you the sorts of stories and first hand accounts a book can.
Here is a good one to start out on:  http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Flak-Alley-Personal-Accounts/dp/0786437073

[Saxman]

It's not that bad. I have been flying 3 sorties now against the new strats and haven't lost a single bomber yet due to ack.

That's because you're in bombers. Puffy ack couldn't hit a slow-moving buff formation with the broadside of a barn. However in a fighter at 400mph you're fricken' screwed.