F4U-4B or F4U-1C

[indian]

I have found plenty of references for the F4U-1c in combat some of which seems to be where the F4U-4B was fighting. What I have found so far is that the -4B was ordered in january of 45 so not to likely to see combat unless it was right at very end. I have a book on aces that says they flew the -1c in combat and one flew the -4 in combat BU#'s show it not to be a -4B. Going to keep looking for info most for the ground attack rolls that its supposed to have done, but alos found it was supposed to have done the high cover mission's for the -1D's while they did the ground attack.


I want my cannons.

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[Bad Omen]

I think we probably have some of the same resources. I have also read about exactly what you related to.

I still think the best route would be to offer the -1A and the -1C versions, which were basically identical except for the wings. Then we would have our cannons.:-)

[Windle]

I agree.  Our safest bet is for the F4U-1A & F4U-1C.  I have plenty of action reports and photos of the F4U-1C from the WWII combat zone.  Same goes for the F4U-4.  I have found zilch evidence that the F4U-4B made it into action.  

The passage you are refering to in Veronico's 'F4U Corsair' book is a typo.  Rather than the F4U-4 & F4U-4B entering the combat theater together on April 7, 1945 - it was the F4U-4 & F4U-1C.  Veronico's paragraph mentions F4U-4B's from VMF-311 downing a Ki-48.  VMF-311 was composed of F4U-1C's only.  As were VMF-441, VBF-99, and VBF-8 for starters.  I also know that the F4U-1C's that didn't supply the dedicated F4U-1C squadrons were used to replace lost aircraft in various other units (VF-84 being one example).

In regards to Bad Omen's post, the F4U-1C was the offspring of the F4U-1D rather than the F4U-1A. Airframes on the F4U-1D line were singled out and fitted with cannon armed wings, thus creating an F4U-1C.  The -1C models had the twin centerline hard points of the -1C as well as all of the other minor modifications.  The F4U-1C also carried the 2 rather than 4 rockets under each wing that we talked about earlier - but it did have the capability.  The F4U-1C was THE cannon armed Corsair of WWII, and I suggest the collective effort towards a cannon armed Corsair be directed in the way of the F4U-1C. Of course if a planeset is activated we might only get to fly them for 3 or 4 days.  


 

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[Bad Omen]

Windle is absolutely correct! 13 blocks of F4u-1D's were completed before -1C production began.

Would love to have the choice of a F4u-1A with a single bomb (or drop tank) or the ultimate ground-pounder, a F4u-1C with 4 rocks and 2 - 1000lb'ers and all that 20mm ammo!

[indian]

Give me a F4U-4 for air combat and a F4U-1c for air superiority combat. Sound good.
the best and the biggest guns.

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[Duckwing6]

WEEEL i still hope we'll get the 1D too so we have it a bit earlier in the planeset !!!!

It's big.. it's BLUE ... it's F 4 U!

Man i love that Bird  

Duckiwing6

[indian]

The F4U-1C is the -1D but with cannons.

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[Windle]

I know what ya mean Duck.  

Just for the record the F4U-1C entered combat April 7, 1945 while the F4U-1D entered during December 1944/January 1945.

The best Corsair for planeset's sakes would be the infamous F4U-1A.  It entered service around late summer of 1943 and basically had everything the F4U-1D had, without rockets and the second bomb/drop tank rack.  Aside from these things the fuselage, powerplant, etc was virtually identical.

If an RPS is under consideration -Bring on the F4U-1A, then the F4U-1D,......then bring that F4U-1C!

 

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[Stiglr]

Amazing what dweebs will do to get cannon in their birds to make them UeberPlanes. Find the *least* representative version of the plane in some obscure page of some obscure history and viola: instant mandate for the cannoned Corsair. It worked in Brand W, for a time, and flushed out a whole sewer full of sudden Corsair lovers with 20mm envy.

Look; most of those 4-cannon Corsairs were in crates on ships on the way to the front when the bombs were dropped and the war ended. The rest prolly served ground pounding Okinawa or some such. They weren't clearing the Slot or taking Rabaul, or taking part in the Marianas Turkey Shoot and other defining moments of the war like the Corsair you *really* profess to love; that being the 6 x.50 version.

If you want cannon, fly a cannon-armed plane. A *representative* one.

  Just stirring the pot a little, and lamenting "modeling favoritism" things like the fact that we've never seen a FW190F (with the 4 x 100kg bombs in addition to the centerline 500 lber.) in *any* game, to counteract all those US planes with huge payloads and rocket loadouts.....<g,d,r>

[funked]

Stigi - chill out!

Luftwaffe pilots have way more to benefit from an "anything goes" policy on armament variations.  

I can't wait to line up one of these blue pigs with my X-4 guided AAM.  

[Rendar]

Yah, Yah, Yah.  I vote for the F-16C, F-18E, F-14D, or A-10!  Think about an A-10 vulcher...  The 30mm Avenger cannon would tear any plane to pieces with a short burst!
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[indian]

stiglr I dont give a damn weather you like my opinion or not. I like the F4U meaning all of them every other country has some cannons i want cannons. I will kill in the corsair with or without so kiss my prettythang.
You and your damn refenrece better get updated becuase there is a corsair ace in the f4u1c.

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[Windle]

Well Stig, I supposed you missed my post mentioning that ALL WWII aircraft have the right to be modeled - just not the right to be modeled FIRST.

Also above I stated that the F4U-1A & F4U-1D should be modeled first - THEN HTC should get around to the F4U-1C model.  By the time Aces High has 3 different Corsairs modeled no doubt you will have every Bf-109 loadout known to history available for your favorite ride.  Beyond that point, your rebuttals to modeling legitimate WWII fighting aircraft to oppose your "schmitt" will easily be picked out as underdog rabble - where as now they conveniently fall under the guise of acceptable reason.    

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[This message has been edited by Windle (edited 11-11-1999).]

[Duckwing6]

see this the problem with rolling planeset when everybody can take the plane he wants.. why take a 6 cal . armed plane against folks who'll drive ONLY N1k1s and KI84's ? When 90% of all Jap fighters flown at that time where Zekes and KI43's... same with all other plane sets... it's not too well balanced when people hop on the fastest, best turning GUNSHIP they can get their hands on :-/

And yea The F4U-1C was out there but what i've read the cannons had a rediciously low reliability above 15000 feet.. so i'd rather go for firing .05's  

DW6

[Windle]

I'm with ya Duckwing....

...then again, 98% of the fighting I do IS below 15k  

Seriously,  once a plethora of aircraft are modeled I hope HTC goes one step deeper than others by adding some kind of formula that only allows historical percentages to enter the arena.  If you wanted to fly a Corsair, most likely you'd have to choose the F4U-1A or F4U-1D.  Likewise when flying, the chances of engaging a Ki-84 or Ta-152 would be rarer than they are now - but a much more cherrished moment.   Along the same lines, actually getting an assignment in an F4U-1C would be a great reward!  This is the missing factor that 'unbalances' arenas.  Of course if one flies the FW-190 'Dora' exclusively he'd be pretty pissed not being able to fly it every sortie.  I think that's the main problem with implementing such limitations.  I for one would (maybe in a Historical Arena) would love to enter the skies and meet a realistic percentage of enemy types (Zero's and Ki-43's) rather than the persistant wave of nothing but Ki-84's EVERY time I enter combat (refering to my 'Brand W' experience).  In this manner HTC could model whatever they liked and the general community wouldn't need to bellyache over 'imbalance', nor would flight models need to be 'tweeked' for the sake of gameplay.

 


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