F4U-4B or F4U-1C

[fats]

--- Windle: ----
Of course if one flies the FW-190 'Dora' exclusively he'd be pretty pissed not being able to fly it every sortie.
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My last year and half or so in WB I flew pretty much nothing but Bf 109G-6, and once RPS came I was rather against it cause I couldn't go on-line any day I wanted and grab a G-6.

I did fly few weeks of Hurricane Mk.I ( Finns had 12 Hurricanes so that's why I flew it ) in the later part of RPS including 'uber week' and still got kills. The point really is, I want to fly what ever I like when ever I like. If the rest of the pilots are so uber that they can't help but fly Sea Fury's and such, so be it. See if I care. I will still be enjoying _my_ flying in which ever plane I decide to fly at a given moment. If someone want's an even playing field he should stick to duels.


//fats

[Stiglr]

Glad to see duckwing and *gasp* even windle have a clue as to what I'm talking about.The cannoned F4U  is just one example of this; I don't have anything against Corsairs, and actually like them myself.

Ueberplanism is actually a plane choice limiter, and exposes those ego-challenged pilots who just *have* to win every time (buy a boxed game, indian!!!! And: my lawywer advises me I should tell you to bite me!   ), and have to fly the -est plane: the fastEST, biggEST, deadlieEST. These guys might learn a little something about ACM, SA and other piloting skills by flying planes without -EST on the end of 'em. Many of these planes are actually FUN!!!!

[SnakeEyes]

Hehe... and this is coming from the guy who said he thought DOA was boring.      Biplanes in WW1 are boring, Biplanes in WW2 are macho.  Go figure.

PS - All who think that Stigi should be forced to fly the 109E all War long, shout "aye!"  

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SnakeEyes
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[This message has been edited by SnakeEyes (edited 11-11-1999).]

[spinny]

Just curious, Stig, but now that the A8 is out with 3 different armament loadouts, what's your take now on a cannon-armed F4U?

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Spinny, VF-17
8X

[Bad Omen]

My first choice is the F4u-1A. However, from experience in WB, when you are flying the Corsair, especially for CV OPS, and with all the non-historical matchups against all the cannon-armed Spitfires and FW's,and the heavily armored P47's, F4u's and F6f's all I can say is it would be nice to jump into a F4u-1C once in a while. If it was historical matchups and I was flying against all Jap planes, I would actually choose a cannon armed version, whether it be -1A,-1D, or -4. I would take larger ammo load over 20mm cause I know I knock down a Jap plane with a burst or two.

[Stiglr]

My take on the FW190A8? It's a *representative* Focke Wulf for the late war. Thus, its *representative* loadouts, cannon-heavy tho they are, are applicable. The FW always WAS a cannon bird, from the A3 on.

My whole problem with the 4-cannon Corsair is, that, given that choice, NOBODY will fly a 6 x .50. That's not representative. That's cannon-envy dweebery, ueberplaneism and gotta-winism at its worst. The real 4-cannon planes flew for all of "15 minutes of fame" in the real event. If AH is going to model representative planes, and not just the "favorite iteration", the 4-cannon Corsair doesn't make sense.

[funked]

Stigi, like I said, SHUDDAP!

Luftwaffles have a lot more to gain from "laissez-fair" loadout policies than the Boyington wannabees!  

[Stiglr]

funked,

come on, I'm no hypocrite. I don't wanna see skies full of Komets and Volksjaeger, either. Or experimental jets carrying 50mm cannon.

I DO NOT want Fantasy birds, especially now when we have SO MUCH planeset to fill out. Give me the REAL war, or as close as we can get to it.

[SnakeEyes]

I just want to make sure that 90% of the Luftwobblies have to fly with Cannon rounds designed for downing buffs, and that were less effective against small armored fighter aircraft.

Just like real life.  

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SnakeEyes
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[funked]

Stiglr be careful what you ask for!  The real war was not fun for the Jagdflieger.

I just want the real planes.  Take the real planes and make a war that is WW2-like and fun to play.  I'd be happy with that.

[Stiglr]

Just fine, funked, I think we're asking for the same thing.

The "real" war, taken as a whole, had Corsairs with 6 x .50s....and for YOU, o-o-o, cannon effective well past 250 yds.  

[drdoyo]

I'd fly a -1D Stig !! But since when did the F4U become an uber plane? Ever tried to turn with a Spit, or out run a pony or Dora? It's all in how you fly them. The one thing I hate about "Brand W" is the Spit, 190 section! TALK about Ubers =< !!

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Drdoyo, Lt. J.G.
VF-17 the Jolly Rogers
8X

[-zoll-]

I would much rather fly the .50 cal -1D anyday over any of the other F4U's out there modeled as to date.  Brand W's -4 Hawg fly's like a brick and is way under modeled in many aspects.  I have flown in an Actual FG-1D (goodyear F4U-1D)and I can attest to the general undermodeling of the F4U in all sims out there as of now.  Unless you were hitting semi-hardend ground targets why would anyone in their right mind trade a generous amount of .50 cal ammo for a small cache of 20mm rounds.  If they modeled the U.S. 20mm of that era correctly it would pretty much suck in its performance.  If half the sim pilots were real marksmen they wouldn't have to pray that they could get a couple explosive 20mm rounds into the bad guy to down him. hehehe

My 2 cents work  

Jerry Zollman
XO VF-17 8X  

[214CaveJ]

zoll since you've flown in an fg-1d I hope you'll yell at ht and pyro if they undermodel the hawg.

Gotta have as close to the real thing as they can get it IMNSHO =)

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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base.         -  Hoffman Nickerson

[Windle]

What Zoll didn't tell ya is that he is in the process of restoring a second Corsair for the owner of the first.  This guy has all the luck.        Not only does he have cockpit time in the Corsair, but he gets to get up close and personal with every aspect of the airframe and engine during the teardown and restoration process. Here's a shot of the current F4U project about the time it arrived at the hangar:

 http://users.hsonline.net/jzollman/htdoc/f4u.htm    

I hope ya don't mind me posting the link Jerry  

The 'FAS' markings are left over from its service with the Fuerza Area Salvadorena (Salvadoran Air Force) during the 'Soccer War'-era. It's one of nine FG-1D's recovered from there after El Salvador declared them surplus in 1971.  Two others were lost during the 'Soccer War', and the remaining nine were scrapped by the FAS around 1973.  

   

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~Lt. Jg. Windle~

VF-17 The Jolly Rogers 8X
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[This message has been edited by Windle (edited 11-24-1999).]