2 awesome planes that should be implemented

[MadDog1441]

First the british plane called the Gloster Meteor: specs single seat fighter, it has 4, 20 millimeter guns, and a blistering speed of 603 mph! no lie, its a WWII plane too! And a USA bomber called the Boeing B29 superfortress, for one, the biggest plane in AH is the B17 flying fortress, it can carry 6000lbs of bombs and it has 13 defensive guns, the B29 superfortress has only 10 defensive guns, but goes 50 mhp faster and can carry a whopping 16000lbs of bombs! WWII plane too, that would be sweet :-)

[This message has been edited by MadDog1441 (edited 04-17-2000).]

[Kieren]

B29- Maybe. And that's a big maybe.

Gloster Meteor? Hate to be a naysayer, but jets will just be too much. It's a different era altogether IMHO.

[RAM]

Gloster Meteor?...nah, Meteors only saw service in WWII as V1 hunters. Me262 were ACTIVE and WIDELY used jets in WWII. So if a jet is coming, then will be Me262 LONG before Meteors...

But I still agree with Kieren. Better let Jets apart, they dont belong to a prop simulator, IMHO.

[MadDog1441]

OK so maybe not the gloster, but come on, that b29 would be so sweet, and you may say, well its cheap cause it can cary so many bombs, but to carry so many bombs, it has to be very big, and thats a large very, so it turn it would be easier for fighters to shoot it and it would be harder to control. it works both ways.

[funked]

The Meteor that went 600 mph was not available until 1949 or so.  The WW2 variants couldn't even hit 500 IIRC.

[jmccaul]

Meteors did have various combat victories(i'll see if i can dig something up) and were introduced at about the same time  as the Me 262. I am not sure of there productions numbers but i don't think they are particularly tiny (i'll have a look). I wouldn't like to see the 262 or meteor personally.


P.S. I believe the 262 is universally considered the better of the 2.  

[Kieren]

If you have to have jets, give us the Bell P-59 "Flaming Turd".  

If you guys thought the F4U-1C unbalanced the arena, give some experten 4x30mm, 550mph birds. Don't even start to tell me how bad it turns, it wouldn't matter. The only way you'd catch one is if the pilot was foolish or you were in a 262, too.

Can you imagine JG2, all in 262's? studmuffingitaboutit...  

[jmccaul]

Here is a liitle more info
 
According to here http://www.letsfindout.com/subjects/aviation/rfijfigh.html

The meteor entered active service before the 262

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By then Britain's jet program had almost caught up with Germany's. The British government had finally realized what the jet engine could do and put Whittle's engine into an aircraft. The Gloster E.28/39 reached a speed of 466 miles per hour and led to the development of a twin-engine aircraft, the Gloster Meteor. Less than a month before the Me 262 roared into operation, Meteor fighters of the Royal Air Force's No. 616 Squadron became the first jets ever to go into action when they intercepted German V-1 flying bombs over England.
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280 Mk III were built

I didn't find any mention of air to air victories apart from V1's but i remember reading of a 2 victory sortie (both bombers) of a rookie pilot. I may however be mistaken.  

[Kieren]

But isn't it true that Meteors were restricted to British airspace? This probably accounts for no recorded A2A encounters against manned aircraft.

The trouble with this whole argument is that the Me262 and P80 become legitimate aircraft for modelling. This represents a quantum leap in performance, and renders the use of any piston aircraft for A2A implausible.

Performance comparisons between the P80 and F8F Bearcat (conducted at war's end) showed conclusively that the F8F was no match for the P80. In fact, the F8F couldn't even manage a mock shot. The F8F was perhaps the fastest climbing, highest performing single-engined fighter of the very late war (6,100fpm climb) and it couldn't touch a P80.

The early jets represent a time period of transition, but it was not a gradual change. It is only the Allies good fortune that the Me262 didn't come out earlier or in higher numbers, such was its performance advantage over piston-engined fighters.

[Hristo]

But where the P-80 fought ? How close did it come to the enemy at all ?

[Kieren]

Hristo-

I don't disagree with your point at all; in fact, if any jet should be done it would be the Me262 IMHO.

My point is how many would we see, and what would their impact on gameplay be?

You would be a god in the Me262, no doubt about it.  

I think the only legitimate way to have the Me262 is to have it based only at fields with runways long enough to handle it. These would have to be rear fields (A1 disabled for 262), thus limiting its range over the entire arena.

[daddog]

Nothing against the B-29 but I would much rather see the Ju-88, He-111, Betty, B-25, B-24 and several others before we let that monster in.

As for the jets, 262 should be the first IMHO.  

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daddog C.O.
332nd Flying Mongrels
   

[MadDog1441]

Ok so maybe it is to big, but when are we gonna see something big, man its been forever since last plane, i want the big daddy! I don't care if people think its unfair, they even said that they were going to implement some bigger and better AA guns for the bases defense, if that happnes, i say pull out the mother load

[Kieren]

Since last plane? Version 1.02.

Last bomber? A while, I agree. Still, I agree with others that call for German, Italian, Japanese, etc. before we get the American behemoth.

And I am American.  

[MadDog1441]

hey i'm not saying I have anything against the other planes, why not bring a variety out at once? That would siut me fine, I'm just saying I want the big bomber cause i like to buff, idon't dogfight that much never was too good at it, but bombing I am good at.  How bout this, hiroshemia, i think i spelled that right? how bout nukes and stuff, i  know i'm getting kinda deep, but he, someone hse to, nd that would be a great place to start, its not pulling away from the old world planes, and its still one heck of a bomb eh?