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Gerd

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New plane request: B24H/J
« on: December 07, 2000, 05:38:00 AM »
Well, since we're talking wish list for new aircraft; I'd like to see the B24H/J liberator. And, if you'd like to put some nose art on those babies, how about the Zodiac nose art of the 486th BG(H) libbs:
 http://www.486th.org/Photos/Aircraft/Zodiac1.htm

Merry Christmas!

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2000, 05:45:00 AM »
ehhehehehehe...

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2000, 06:36:00 AM »
Nahh....

If we're going to get something out of the B24 line, I think we need the Privateer !

Much cooler aircraft, and after all, we are getting the Navy soon.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2000, 09:07:00 AM »
B-24D/J is the coolest ww2 bomber ever

no one has been able to even make a decent 3d model of it for an online game. (they always screw up the nose and cockpit, tail fuselage etc)


I'm sure if superfly or Natedog were given the plane to build they would be the first to get it right  
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2000, 02:28:00 PM »
Well, there's a Privateer here in Texas that HTC could do some field study on  

It's only about 50%-60% complete though  

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2000, 02:45:00 PM »
PRIVATEER!!!

A USAAF B-24 would be cool though.  We have almost all the planes for an 8th AF vs. Jagdwaffe scenario...  except the Liberator.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2000, 03:21:00 PM »
Privateer???  Fudge that. Go Martin MARS!!!

     

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:

We have almost all the planes for an 8th AF vs. Jagdwaffe scenario...  except the Liberator.

and the Me262, the Me410, the Fw190D9...

OK! OK!!!! just kidding!!!  

Now seriously, B24 has a place in Aces High and it will be cool to have it here...

but its the most ugly bomber in history  

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2000, 03:33:00 PM »
Yeah, despite how desperately people want to play a big CV scenario, or Eastern Front, by far we are the closest to having the planeset for a 1944 8th AF scenario..

Would be nice to have a mix of 24s and 17s instead of just the 17s.

I really hate big scenarios with rampant plane substitution..

And I'm sure that, as in WB, people would finally see how useful the P-47 is at 25,000 in large groups instead of singly at 5,000 ft in the main arena.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2000, 03:41:00 AM »
Another "I want this plane cuz I happen to like the shape/noseart or have just finished reading a book about it or..." post *yawn*

Lesse: hmmm... a B24 would bring a fresh and interesting what a B17 or a Lanc cannot currently do? And it will enhance current planeset with 2 heavy bombers in it out of 3 available altogether exactly how? /sarcasm mode off...

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2000, 06:01:00 AM »
B-24 is the only other ww2 bomber capable of surviving in the MA.

its that simple.

it is the most important most numerous buff to see action in every ww2 theatre.

will it fly in the MA more than the ju88, tbf and lancaster and any other less capable bomber?

almost certainly.

why?

because it has the ability to fight its way to the target and then back out again.
the only other bomber capable of doing this is the b17.

we have already seen from the hog and N1k2 epidemic that most people will only fly the most capable airplanes available.


the b-24 is faster than the b17, carries more bombs and has camparable defensive armament. and to everyones relief it has a lower ceiling than the b17.


the only other aircraft comparable...
the b29 is already slated as a perk.


thats the way I see it.


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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2000, 07:15:00 AM »
Sorry Cit - I was reading your post and thinking about that Loose Rivet

Survivable bombers? Hmmm... Tu-2 springs to mind instantly - very fast and very well armed for it's size (340mph (yes!), 31K ceiling, 1350 miles range, 2x20 + 3x50 cal with 4,400 (yes!)lbs bombload). In service from 1942...

Slightly smaller Pe-2 - again fast and used widely as a dive bomber (361mph, 2x50 cals + 3x30 cals, 2,200lbs bombload). In sevice from 1940... There was even a heavy fighter version - Pe-3.

I'm sure even ol' favourite - Mosquito - would see some action while adding variety to the plane set!!!.

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2000, 07:19:00 AM »
 
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B-24 is the only other ww2 bomber capable of surviving in the MA.

Ok, I'll bite.

Apart of the ones that Lynx has pointed...

Ju88S
Ju188
Mosquito bomber
Beaufighter

Only some examples of very fast, maneouverable bombers able to survive in the Main arena. The B24 will be another "gunship" bomber, as the B17 and B26 are now. Not to forget that the Ju88s and beaufighter could carry torpedoes.

I think that we need the other style of bomber, the Fast bomber, wich main defensive weapon was speed.

We lack,too, the Do217 ,one the most capable German medium bombers of the war. And the He177, a plane that was able to bomb England untouched because it could achieve 400mph in a slight dive,making it very difficult to intercept.

B24 is ANOTHER american plane.yet another, and of the same style of the B17, wich we already have.
 I agree that it has its place in AH, but,imo, NOT before we have more planes we lack now (dive bombers, attack planes,fast bombers, etc).



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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2000, 07:40:00 AM »
same style?

b-24D time to 20,000 feet: 22min fully loaded
B-17G time to 20,000 feet: 37min fully loaded

kinda like the p-38 is same style as p-47 right RAM?
by god they look the same for sure

weak minded luftwobble.

b24 is about as different from b17 as a 4 engined bomber can get. the similarity ends there.

     
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Specification of Consolidated B-24D Liberator:
Four Pratt & Whitney R-1830-43 fourteen-cylinder turbosupercharged air-cooled radial engines, each rated at 1200 hp at 23,400 feet. Performance: Maximum speed 303 mph at 25,000 feet. Cruising speed 200 mph. Landing speed 95 mph. Service ceiling 32,00 feet. An altitude of 20,000 feet could be reached in 22 minutes. Range was 2300 miles with 5000 pounds of bombs. Range 1800 miles at maximum cruising power. Maximum range 3500 miles. Initial production blocks had a fuel capacity of 2364 US gallons, but later production blocks increased this to 3614 US gallons. Dimensions: Wingspan 110 feet 0 inches, length 66 feet 4 inches, height 17 feet 11 inches, wing area 1048 square feet. Weights: 32,605 pounds empty, 55,000 pounds gross, Maximum takeoff weight 64,000 pounds. Armament: Bomb bay could accommodate up to eight 1100-pound bombs. Underwing racks for two 4000-pound bombs were available, but were seldom used. Later models could carry eight 1600-pound bombs. Defensive armanent varied signficantly according to model, as described above.

B-24 is a high wing, twin tailed, box fuselaged, trycicle geared, sliding bomb doored twin bomb racked 4 engine bomber

     
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Specification of B-17G:
Four Wright R-1820-97 Cyclone radials with general Electric B-22 turbosuperchargers, each rated at 1200 hp for takeoff and 1000 hp at 25,000 feet, with a war emergency power of 1380 hp at 26,700 feet. Performance: Maximum speed 263 mph at 25,000 feet, 300 mph at 30,000 feet (war emergency). Cruising speed 150 mph at 25,000 feet. Landing speed 90 mph Initial climb rate 900 feet per minute. An altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 37 minutes. Service ceiling 35,000 feet. Range 1850 miles with 4000 pounds of bombs at 25,000 feet with 2810 gallons of fuel. Dimensions: Wingspan 103 feet 9 3/8 inches, length 74 feet 9 inches, height 19 feet 1 inches, wing area 1420 square feet. Weights: 32,720 pounds empty, 55,000 pounds normal loaded, 72,000 pounds maximum. Fuel: Normal fuel load was 2520 US gallons, but extra fuel tanks could be installed which raised total fuel capacity to 3612 US gallons. Armament: Specified defensive armament was as follows: Thirteen 0.5-inch Browning machine guns in chin, nose, dorsal, center- fuselage, ventral, waist, and tail positions.

B-17 is a lowwing, conventional tailed, cylinderical fuselaged, conventional geared, folding bomb doored single bomb racked 4 engine bomber.


B-24 is the only other widely used ww2 heavy bomber capable of surviving in the MA besides the B-29.
lancaster is a free kill in MA. so is the ju88. fighters drool when they see these.
h8k emily? g4m betty? they would never get used in the MA. and in scenarios they would be moving targets just like the ju88 and soon to be released flying turkey tbf. ( i love the tbf but it will be easy meat in this arena)
only capable buffs in AH for MA play are the b26 and b17.
U.S. after all was the only allied country using heavy bombers for daylight raids deep in enemy territory. they got good at defensive armament because of this.
B-24D would be better for this type of arena though.it climbs better than b24J by a good margin since its 8000 lbs lighter.

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2000, 09:51:00 AM »
I have to agree with RAM.

The B-24 would fill the same role as the B-17, e.g. gunship bomber.

It wouldn't really change the balance much.  It carries slightly more bombs, but is slightly less durable.  In that aspect it is somewhere between the B-17 and Lancaster.

B-17: Tough and well defended with a low medium bombload.
B-24: Well defended with a medium bombload.
Lancaster: Tough and lightly defended with a heavy bombload.
B-29: Tough, fast and well defended with a very heavy bombload.
He177: Well defended with a medium bombload.
H8K2: Tough, well defended and slow with a light bombload.

I don't think that the B-24 should be a priority for HTC.  I think that the B-17 and Lancaster compliment each other nicely, each offering trade offs.  Until the planeset is fleshed out more we don't need anymore Allied heavy bombers.

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