F3 view for IL2

[GlassJaw]

The guns for the IL2 should not be able to be fired from F3 View (external view)  Very gamey.

[LLogann]

 


Honestly, I can't fire from F3.................  At least for attacking gv's. 

But I do appreciate your idea sir.  However I think something like that could be an all or nothing code....... Meaning it would have to be all bombers. 

[Simba]

My word, I live 'n' learn, I didn't know you could fire a bomber's guns when in F3 view, I've always fired mine from the gunner's seat.

 

[GlassJaw]

Yeah folks are flying them like fighters in f3 mode.  You can get some pretty crazy under the nose lead shots when you dont have your nose blocking your view in F3 mode.  Its really pretty lame.

[Banshee7]

I can do the same thing, but I don't fly in F3...

[Ack-Ack]

It is not going to give you an advantage that will allow you to win a fight just because you're flying in external view. 

ack-ack

[Spikes]

Yeah folks are flying them like fighters in f3 mode.  You can get some pretty crazy under the nose lead shots when you dont have your nose blocking your view in F3 mode.  Its really pretty lame.

Solution...don't get closer than 1000 in front of an IL? Most of the time the have those 37mms which are harder to hit people with...

[Rich46yo]

First off how do you know the opposing player is firing from F3?

Clearly anyone who has tried it, and I have in practice after reading these threads, realizes its far harder to hit anything using an airplane for a sight then it is using a sight for a sight. Most of all a snipers round like the 37mm of the NS-37 with its slow ROF when compared to other aircraft cannon.

I'm not saying it isn't gamey. I'm saying its entirely inconsequential.

[GlassJaw]

  not sure how you can say that.

It allows you to see your enemy to aim at them when they are under your nose.  I've flown this way and it is a trememdous advantage.

It is not going to give you an advantage that will allow you to win a fight just because you're flying in external view. 

ack-ack

[AKP]

Oh tell me we are not going down this road again...

[EskimoJoe]

I dogfight in IL-2s all the time. I don't use F3 in a dogfight, however I will take advantage of it for SA before a fight. As pointed out earlier in this thread, how can you be sure if I'm using F3 or not in a fight? If *I* Can shoot down your 109, spitty, and niki in my IL-2, doesn't that make *YOU* the crappy pilot in the fight?

[Ack-Ack]

not sure how you can say that.

Easily.  Sure, you can see under the nose better but aiming in 3rd person mode (external view) is much harder than cockpit view and you're more likely than not to miss the shot because there are no aiming point to go by.  It is not going to be a deciding factor in a fight unless you catch the fighter pilot with his head up his bellybutton or you run into an extremely unskilled or new player.


ack-ack

[Karnak]

not sure how you can say that.

It allows you to see your enemy to aim at them when they are under your nose.  I've flown this way and it is a trememdous advantage.

I have shot down many fighters that were below my nose and out of sight in AH.  I did so by doing my best guess as to where they were in a tight turn.  You don't need to be able to see the target to hit it, just be able to predict where it will be when they rounds get there.

[MORAY37]

Flying in F3 allows you better visibility both below and above your IL-2.  There is one individual I know has admitted to it,  who uses F3 to snapshot people to extreme success, as they fly under or over him.  Those that attempt to say it has no bearing are incredibly naive.  The only thing you can't see in F3 is greater than 200 behind you, without moving your view.

It is incredibly easy to kill others from this view, if they are in close. It's actually kind of hard to miss them.....I mean you're shooting at under D200 every time, with a plan view of your enemy at that.


F3 should be disabled in IL2's.   

[Bruv119]

I think the easiest solution for this F3 mode debate is the definition of a bomber aircraft.

If it hasn't got a bombsite it isn't a bomber IMO.

The il2 / A20 / B25H are all ground ATTACK aircraft.  What is the reasoning behind having f3 mode?  simulating the fact that there is a rear gunner and he can look around?    

How about the 110 then ?  no F3 mode there....