F3 view for IL2

[allaire]

Hehe I did a google search and the tomato board was the first that showed.  The wiki link was like the 3rd or 4th down the list.

[BnZs]

The eye-popping usage of neg-Gs or rapid G oscillation with no consequences we are allowed as gun defenses are lame in ANY plane, its that simple. If excessive red-out could blind you for a few seconds and lead to lawn-darting after pushing the stick to the firewall, then it would be better.

Oh, and Bat, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've seen *you* complaining about the use of F3 for impossible deflections shots in the DA lake. Vets like you and I can't/don't use it, because all of our trained visual cues are from inside-the-cockpit view, but the new crop of players who have learned with it is perfectly willing and able to exploit it. I think it is now time for locked cockpits in all aircraft and all arenas, except the TA.

[mechanic]

I think, if we go back a few months and check that topic out I was complaining that F3 be enabled in the DA for one reason only. That being, that 'important' duels setup to proove a clear victor were marred by the possible F3 usage. Not at all concerned with it in furball lake, just 1 on 1 dueling where under the nose shots can make or break a fight. Perhaps i am wrong, I'm sure that was my issue though. 

[BnZs]

I think, if we go back a few months and check that topic out I was complaining that F3 be enabled in the DA for one reason only. That being, that 'important' duels setup to proove a clear victor were marred by the possible F3 usage. Not at all concerned with it in furball lake, just 1 on 1 dueling where under the nose shots can make or break a fight. Perhaps i am wrong, I'm sure that was my issue though. 

Well, if it provides an unfair advantage in a duel, it is still an unfair advantage elsewhere, so...

[mechanic]

maybe but i was not raising it as an issue for general gameplay, just dueling. Just to counter your question to me.

[GlassJaw]

Someone on like page 2 asked why i posted this since I had not been shot down a bunch of times due to IL2's.  The reason that I mentioned it is because a squaddie and I were talking about how HiTech and crew had solicited inputs on things that were "gamey" about the game that could be corrected.  I guess some of the things they fixed which were long overdue were the launching of a zillion torps from a PT boat and launching a zillion troops from a LVT and the ability to spawn feet dry from an LVT from certain positions.  I've certainly abused the hell out of these things... but I'm happy they are gone.  In the end they make the game less fun for everyone.  The same goes for the Gamey F3 mode for the IL2... same with the A20 for that matter (which I have abused from time to time in mid war).  Yes the IL2 is very slow and is otherwise easy target for a disciplined stick... until you add F3.  After abusing the hell out of F3 mode in this aircraft, I can tell you that I have made many, many kills with this aircraft. 
Take a look at my stats.  Like someone said, I was killed once by an IL2 in December while in an Aircraft... because I understand the way this plane is flown, as do many others.
Although I rarely fly the IL2 I got 10 vs plane kills in it in December with only 7 deaths vs planes.  100% of these kills I made were against aircraft with speed and altitude advantages.  Check out the names... you might recognize a few decent sticks.  F3 mode was responsible for nearly all of these kills.  All kills against paying players that should not have been sent back to their base by me, a player who was exploiting this unrealistic function of the game.  Like someone said, call it Xbox mode, thats a perfect description.  I doubt the adult player base of aces high appreciates this kind of thing.

Bottom line is that this is an advantage when I'm able to fly an IL2 to a better than 1:1 kill to death when taking off from cap'd airfields.  If you cant see it, your either not opening your eyes or incredibly naive.

I stand by my original suggestion, simply disable the ability to fire the nose mounted guns in an IL2 (any aircraft actually) from F3 mode.  I'm not suggesting eliminating F3 mode, just make it so you cant shoot from it.

[EskimoJoe]

Hey way to go GlassJaw, you can get kills in F3 Mode! You're must have like, mad skillz or something, I'm so jealous. Why don't you (removed, to be nice and comply with forum rules...)

[GlassJaw]

Somehow I think you missed my point.  I'm not sure how...

Hey way to go GlassJaw, you can get kills in F3 Mode! You're must have like, mad skillz or something, I'm so jealous. Why don't you (removed, to be nice and comply with forum rules...)

[Motherland]

Hey way to go GlassJaw, you can get kills in F3 Mode! You're must have like, mad skillz or something, I'm so jealous. Why don't you (removed, to be nice and comply with forum rules...)

What's your gameid?

[EskimoJoe]

What's your gameid?

EskimoJ

Somehow I think you missed my point.  I'm not sure how...

Your point is what? You decided to game the game and got kills? That shows nothing for/about us IL-2 pilots that DON'T game the game, and are able to get just as many kills. I know there are pilots better than me who don't fly F3. I don't fly the IL-2 often, but when I do, I choose to not use F3 view. If F3 is removed for IL-2s, the only thing it will do for me, as well as some others, is take away the ability to have a clear view around the aircraft.

[GlassJaw]

Um, I think you just agreed with my main point.

EskimoJ

Your point is what? You decided to game the game and got kills? That shows nothing for/about us IL-2 pilots that DON'T game the game, and are able to get just as many kills. I know there are pilots better than me who don't fly F3. I don't fly the IL-2 often, but when I do, I choose to not use F3 view. If F3 is removed for IL-2s, the only thing it will do for me, as well as some others, is take away the ability to have a clear view around the aircraft.

[Tilt]

 I do note that the majority of those who would retain F3 ( for attack aircraft) apparently claim not to use it anyway..........

ergo how would they miss it........... ?

[E25280]

I do note that the majority of those who would retain F3 ( for attack aircraft) apparently claim not to use it anyway..........

ergo how would they miss it........... ?

Is that kind of like people who claim it is such a problem, yet also claim they personally never have problems dealing with IL-2s?

[EskimoJoe]

Hahaha, nevermind.

[EskimoJoe]

I do note that the majority of those who would retain F3 ( for attack aircraft) apparently claim not to use it anyway..........

ergo how would they miss it........... ?

We would want F3 back because we use it for SA purposes alone. Have you ever tried flying an IL-2, and looking around the cockpit? There is almost no view of whats going on around the aircraft, which is an extreme disadvantage when trying to evade an enemy, say a spitfire which has far better visibility.