F3 view for IL2

[Anaxogoras]

We would want F3 back because we use it for SA purposes alone. Have you ever tried flying an IL-2, and looking around the cockpit? There is almost no view of whats going on around the aircraft, which is an extreme disadvantage when trying to evade an enemy, say a spitfire which has far better visibility.

That's the point of having accurate cockpits.

[Bronk]

I wouldn't mind F3 disabled when the gunner is killed. That's what f3 is suppose to simulate isn't it... the extra set of eyes?

[EskimoJoe]

I wouldn't mind F3 disabled when the gunner is killed. That's what f3 is suppose to simulate isn't it... the extra set of eyes?

IIRC, yes. I completely agree, but how it would be coded in the game is beyond me. It would seem, to me, rather complicated.

That's the point of having accurate cockpits.

Removing F3 for the IL-2 in certain events, such as FSO or snapshots, sounds completely reasonable to me. However in the MA, removing F3 just makes it horribly unfair and is no fun for me as a pilot. If I want to fly an IL-2 with only an accurate cockpit and no other way to see other than the tail gunner, I will fly snapshots alone. There is no point in taking it away from me if I don't use it to game the game.

[Bronk]

IIRC, yes. I completely agree, but how it would be coded in the game is beyond me. It would seem, to me, rather complicated.

Complicated??? I think not. It is no more complicated than if a gun is shot out.

[E25280]

I wouldn't mind F3 disabled when the gunner is killed. That's what f3 is suppose to simulate isn't it... the extra set of eyes?

That's a good point.  But, does the rear gunner being taken out represent the gunner killed, or the gun itself being hit?  I ask because you can still switch and view to a "dead" gun position.  Would this mean an extra hit object to be coded?  Also assume in multi-gunner planes you would need to kill all gunners for this to happen.

[Bronk]

Would it be safe to assume that the gunner would probably be in rough shape also?

[EskimoJoe]

Complicated??? I think not. It is no more complicated than if a gun is shot out.

May be so, however I have absolutely no experience with coding whatsoever.

[GlassJaw]

My suggestion is to DISABLE THE ABILTY TO SHOOT FROM F3 MODE.  I'm not suggesting at this time to completly get rid of F3 mode.

[guncrasher]

My suggestion is to DISABLE THE ABILTY TO SHOOT FROM F3 MODE.  I'm not suggesting at this time to completly get rid of F3 mode.

I practiced many hours shooting from the f3 position I can hit the barn door, but i cant hit crap when the gv's are moving.  you guys think that most guys will shoot in f3 mode,  hardly anybody does, way too hard and waste too many rounds.  If i was you, I would ask that every il3 to shoot from the f3, more ammo wasted, less gv's killed.  shooting from within the plane on the other hand uses less ammo, more gv's killed.  you want to check it out yourselves, get in an il2 and try killing gv's in f3 mode, see how good you do.  then switch to within the plane, see if its better or worst on your ammo/kill.  dont make something out of nothing  .

semp

[EskimoJoe]

My suggestion is to DISABLE THE ABILTY TO SHOOT FROM F3 MODE.  I'm not suggesting at this time to completly get rid of F3 mode.

THAT, I can understand, and would be completely fine with me and probably all other decent IL-2 sticks.

[Tilt]

How quickly does a gunner  communicate what he sees? He may tell the pilot there is a bogie there but does the pilot know exactly where it is?

Gamey SA in attack air craft is as much a reason for disabling F3 as being able to gun and dive bomb from F3 IMO. The IL2 (for example) had poor pilot view to much of the rear.

If we want to re create the effect of the rear gunners eyes then we can  use the rear gunner view when checking our 6 hit 2 then 1 to return. We will still have a more accurate picture than any pilot IMO.

[shreck]

I practiced many hours shooting from the f3 position I can hit the barn door, but i cant hit crap when the gv's are moving.  you guys think that most guys will shoot in f3 mode,  hardly anybody does, way too hard and waste too many rounds.  If i was you, I would ask that every il3 to shoot from the f3, more ammo wasted, less gv's killed.  shooting from within the plane on the other hand uses less ammo, more gv's killed.  you want to check it out yourselves, get in an il2 and try killing gv's in f3 mode, see how good you do.  then switch to within the plane, see if its better or worst on your ammo/kill.  dont make something out of nothing  .

semp

Strange,   I found shooting in F3 terribly easy and effective!   Hmm, I honestly can't see what is sooooo difficult about shooting in F3 view!

[Anaxogoras]

However in the MA, removing F3 just makes it horribly unfair and is no fun for me as a pilot.

It's not supposed to be fair, otherwise every plane would have the 6 view of the Yak-9 and the forward view of the P-51B.

[guncrasher]

Strange,   I found shooting in F3 terribly easy and effective!   Hmm, I honestly can't see what is sooooo difficult about shooting in F3 view!

what's so difficut?  there's a big il2 between me and the sight  .  u cant beat accuracy when shooting using the sight. 


semp

[shreck]

what's so difficut?  there's a big il2 between me and the sight  .  u cant beat accuracy when shooting using the sight. 


semp

Well if your shooting up GVs then yes the sight is better, but when "geeking" the defence of a base or generaly entering furball with it the F3 shooting even better in many aspects. I don't know anyone who focuses on the sight when taking "snapshot" opportunities! When creating "small window" overshoots, F3 shooting is much better!