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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2010, 01:56:16 PM »
I watched the videos and it is possible it rammed them, it is possible they went to avoid thinking the batboat would speed up.
IN any case the batboat played games and lost, and also vessle of least maneurvability has right away.
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2010, 02:18:57 PM »
Better yet, if it hasn't already been mentioned, when are we bombarding the PETA boards again like days of old? That was priceless. Some of the CPIDs we came up with... :cool:

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2010, 02:20:59 PM »
Better yet, if it hasn't already been mentioned, when are we bombarding the PETA boards again like days of old? That was priceless. Some of the CPIDs we came up with... :cool:

No doubt.

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2010, 02:22:12 PM »
Better yet, if it hasn't already been mentioned, when are we bombarding the PETA boards again like days of old? That was priceless. Some of the CPIDs we came up with... :cool:
LOL.But that was a kids board.We had some good stories going.I forget who ended up sleeping with the injuried deer and having "sex" with it but nobody on that board even blinked at that. :rofl :rofl
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2010, 02:22:45 PM »
LOL.But that was a kids board.We had some good stories going.I forget who ended up sleeping with the injuried deer and having "sex" with it but nobody on that board even blinked at that. :rofl :rofl

Read my post above yers.   :rofl :rofl
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2010, 02:26:05 PM »
Well - I think his story ended like - "She was delicious" - and after the initial shock and awe of that - we all scattered - LOL

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2010, 02:29:56 PM »
 I was Sandstar on that.Story went deer were tearing up the garden.I got all kinds of try this try that stuff and my dad was going to shoot the deer.Ended up trying to get the gun from him and accidently shot him. Said I was running away from home and that ended it.
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2010, 02:35:41 PM »
Lets look at this a different way with a hypothetical.

Lets say a group of protesters is against a farmer harvesting tomatoes for whatever reason.  The protesters trespass, they try to interfere with harvesting, they even go so far as to vandalize the farmers combines.

Now, does the farmer now have the right to run over this group of protesters with his pickup truck?

If you don't believe the whaling ship made a hard turn to starboard to ram the batboat, then there is no point in discussing.  Because with this belief, then of course the whalers are not at fault for anything, the batboat purposely 'jumped' in front of them.

I don't see it that way.  To me it appears the batboat was placing itself close, then the whaler purposely turned starboard to facilitate a ram.  While the batboat 'greenies' are undoubtedly guilty of all sorts of maritime violations, including using speedboats to violate the 'spirit' of maritime rights of way, the whalers are guilty of using their vessel in a purposeful act of deadly force.
Let's make your hypothetical scenario more believable, Dredger.
Let's say this group of tomato harvest protesters trespass, try to interfere with harvesting, and as you said, even go so far as to vandalize the farmer's harvesting equipment.
For a more like comparison, and because you went way too extreme with your scenario......let's say the farmer is in his TRUCK that he hauls his harvest to the market with, say a GMC 6500 series for fun, and while he is on the way out of his field, the protesters have entered onto his land again and are harassing him, pacing him in......a 2006 VW Beetle.  
They get up beside him, pull a little ahead, then suddenly cut in front of him, maybe just a swerve to test his nerve, then pull ahead far enough to stop and turn sideways, partially blocking his path ahead.
You now have a 25,000 pound truck traveling at whatever speed, let's say it's 30 miles per hour, and the Beetle, all 2900 pounds of it, is stopped only 30 yards ahead.  The farmer tries his best to slow or stop his truck in the distance allowed, and at the last minute swerves to the left and hits the left front fender of the Beetle, smashing it in.
Who is to blame?  Who is at fault?
The hypothetical comparison you left us with isn't even applicable, mainly because you are talking about an incident that occurred in international waters and trying to compare it to one taking place on private property.
Sadly, some parts of the country would take the side of the tomato protesters.  Private property seems to be an evil thing anymore, and the rights of said owners are secondary to those who subscribe to the belief that "what's yours is mine".........thank God I live in a place where common sense would prevail even in the hypothetical scenarios you and I laid out.
First the sheriff would be notified, trespass warnings issued, and after the regrettable incident, caused by the tomato harvesters themselves, transpired, not only would they have a smashed vehicle, they would be spending time behind bars (at least in the part of the country where I live).

After watching just about every link to the videos regarding this incident, the only conclusion I've come to is that the protesters, despite all the donations and nice toys they've received to fight this little "war" of theirs, are idiots.  They take a much more nimble craft and place it in close proximity to a much larger vessel, practically in it's path, and try to convince the world that they were intentionally rammed.
Even a landlubber such as myself knows that a ship the size of the Japanese vessel takes forever to stop, and responds slowly to rudder commands.....even in the video posted on their own website, one can see the smaller boat easing forward into the path of the oncoming reseach/whaling ship.  The "hard starboard" turn could just easily be the ship hitting a swell......the attempt to turn to port and not overrun the smaller boat directly (and strike it right where the crew was) is crystal clear.
My opinion is that a) the Japanese vessel is in international waters and not violating any of the treaties; 2) the protesters, despite all their funding and donations, look like fools, not possessing the basic seasmanship skills needed to conduct their protest in a manner that anyone but the weakminded would take seriously; and 3) eventually, probably sooner than later, someone affiliated with the protesters, is gonna get killed, "thrown under the bus" as it were, sacrificed in an effort to make more headlines.  
The fault for the incident, in my opinion, lies clearly with the "captain" of the Adi Gill, or whatever the boat was called.  He placed his smaller, more nimble vessel, in harm's way, and could have easily moved his craft out of danger.  He chose not to........all a part of the propaganda program you will find on the protesters' own website.

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2010, 03:31:11 PM »
Lets look at this a different way with a hypothetical.

Lets say a group of protesters is against a farmer harvesting tomatoes for whatever reason.  The protesters trespass, they try to interfere with harvesting, they even go so far as to vandalize the farmers combines.

Now, does the farmer now have the right to run over this group of protesters with his pickup truck?

If you don't believe the whaling ship made a hard turn to starboard to ram the batboat, then there is no point in discussing.  Because with this belief, then of course the whalers are not at fault for anything, the batboat purposely 'jumped' in front of them.

I don't see it that way.  To me it appears the batboat was placing itself close, then the whaler purposely turned starboard to facilitate a ram.  While the batboat 'greenies' are undoubtedly guilty of all sorts of maritime violations, including using speedboats to violate the 'spirit' of maritime rights of way, the whalers are guilty of using their vessel in a purposeful act of deadly force.

Isn't legal in some states to shoot trespassers that intend to do harm to you and/or property? If so, why get your truck all dirty?
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #144 on: January 10, 2010, 04:19:01 PM »
Give it a few more decades.  The United States generally imposes responsible management on our own fisheries, usually with decisions that no one is happy with, but the vast majority of fish we eat come from international waters (or from countries that don't give a damn) that are being raped and violated every day.  The upshot is that our own fishermen find it harder and harder to make a living...  Is salmon season going to open on the west coast this Spring?

Sorry for the hijack.

Errr, sorry, but the USA left it's fish stocks unmanaged for so long they got hammered. NZ has managed it's fisheries heavily for some time now, hence they aren't being raped. Here the stocks come first, if something endangers them we ban fishing them even if it hurts the industry.

Here is one example: http://seafoodindustry.co.nz/hoki   (the fish that McDonalds buy for Fillet of Fish burgers).

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2010, 04:33:39 PM »
Errr, sorry, but the USA left it's fish stocks unmanaged for so long they got hammered.

True in the past, but today regulation has improved dramatically.  If you ever scan a seafood watch card from the monterey bay aquarium, 90% of the time products from the USA receive a better rating for sustainability than what is imported.
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2010, 06:18:17 PM »
This needs to be repeated every so often in this thread:

Minke whales are not, and have never been, endangered.
The Japanese whalers are not taking more than the allowed amount of Minke whales.
Tiny Norway and Iceland catch more whales than Japan. Where is the outrage?

It's my opinion that the Japanese whalers have shown remarkable restraint, and the Sea Shepherd people know this. If they used the same tactics against the ships of other whaling nations, they would likely be dead.

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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2010, 06:56:23 PM »
You have watched the south park episode about this topic, right?  If you haven't, do so right now:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251888/
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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #148 on: January 10, 2010, 06:59:36 PM »

It's my opinion that the Japanese whalers have shown remarkable restraint, and the Sea Shepherd people know this. If they used the same tactics against the ships of other whaling nations, they would likely be dead.

I think you are entirely correct on this point, Rolex.   :aok

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Re: Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two
« Reply #149 on: January 10, 2010, 07:07:49 PM »
True in the past, but today regulation has improved dramatically.  If you ever scan a seafood watch card from the monterey bay aquarium, 90% of the time products from the USA receive a better rating for sustainability than what is imported.
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