Spitfire XIV .... ouch!

[Vermillion]

You can have any of those.

I just want my slow little F2G Super Corsair. After all it would only do about 420mph at 18,000ft.

Oh did I forget to mention that it would do over 400mph on the deck, and had 3,000hp?

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[gatt]

Dang, our Spitfire guys are too quiet ...

The point is: the Spitfire XIV and the MW50 190D-9 wont be perked. Your ugly-butt Hogs and Jugs yes    

[StSanta]

I'll take on any of you uber dweebs in my 190A8 or A5.

Come get some.

<offers Citabria a beer>



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Karnak]

Funny how the American aircraft fans need 1944 stuff to deal with our 1942-43 stuff and how they brag about what they'll do to our 1944 stuff with their 1945 stuff.

I have a novel idea.  Lets give the RAF, Luftwaffe, IJA, IJN, VVS, USN and USAAF 1944 stuff and see how it goes.  Lets not simply advance the Americans by a year to compensate them for the other nations just getting to where they've been all along.

The Spitfire F.MkXIV is a contemporary of the P-51D, P-47D and P-38L not the P-51H, P-47N and F4U-4.

Sisu
-Karnak

[gatt]

I agree with Citabria, StSanta and Karnak. 1944 stuff against 1944 stuff. Would be interesting  

[Vermillion]

Sure thing Karnak!  

You grab your Spit XIV, and I will take my P-51D.

We can even set up some kind of historic scenario to test it complete with a custom terrain.

Then we will fly from England to Berlin, engage the enemy, and then fly home and see who makes it.

Then we can go repeat the exercise and fly from Iwo Jima to Tokyo.

Who do you think is going to make it home the most?  

I realize that the Spit XIV has the qualities that will make it a superb arena aircraft, but historically? Well, it was superb in its own element.

Kinda funny that only about 700 or so (?) were ever made, with it being God's gift to combat aircraft, and with a full year and a half of war time service.  

Lets all repeat. The Arena, is not real life. The Arena, is not real life....

Edit: Ok, 900 even  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 12-14-2000).]

[juzz]

So what you're saying is that the P-51D can dive away and runstang on the deck until the Spitfire XIV rtb's for fuel?  

[Westy]

 All the US fighter planes we have modelled are 1942-1943 planes used]/b] in 1944-1945. The F4U-1"C" was a "D" they mounted 20mm to in 1945.

 Get your facts straight so at least your whine has some credibilty.

 -Westy

[Karnak]

Actually if the P-51D tries to run the Spit'll chase it down and kill it.

The fuel multiplier compensates the P-51 in the MA.  It can climb to altitude without using a third of its fuel load to do so.  That gives it far greater loiter time.

I would like to see maps with strategic targets further back.

Mind you, there were Lacaster daylight raids in late 44 through '45 that were escorted to their targets and back by Spitfire MkXIVs.  The XIV has a range of about 900 miles with droptanks.

Sisu
-Karnak

[juzz]

I think you will find that the P-51D(and Typhoon, G-10) is slightly faster than the Spitfire XIV at lower altitudes.

[gatt]

Westy, correct me if I'm wrong:
- the P-38L entered service in June 1944;
- the P-51D entered service in Europe and Pacific in mid 1944.

The P-51H was test flown on February 1945 and arrived in Europe too late to see actual combat. FG in the Pacific used it during the final months of the war.

I dont see whines in this thread.

[juzz]

but, but, err...

P-38J-25 was around in early '44
P-51B, late '43

nope, still losing  

[gatt]

On 20th September 1944, III./JG54 received the first operational FW190D-9s.

In the meanwhile ErprobungsKommando 262 unit was practicing, shooting down Mosquitos and Spitfires since the summer (1944, that is). You know which a/c EK 262 was using, dont you?  

Hmmmmmm  ......

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[Torque]

Give me a hang-glider with a pellet gun I'll still engage.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by juzz:

P-51B, late '43

None in Europe until early 1944.

And I doubt that any of them was deployed on the pacific before on Europe.

Ohhh yesss...1944 stuff for EVERYBODY!

I WANT:

my Ar-234
my Me-410
my Me-262
my Me-163
my Fw-190D9 (with MW50, please)
my Fw-190G8 (G series of the Fw are for me the best of the radial engined 190s  )
my Me-109K4 (I like the K4 designation more than the G10, so what?  )
my He-177A5 (the reliable one  )
my He-210

etc, etc, etc  

German iron rulesssssssssss!! (And its more charismatic, and more beautiful and are men's planes ,not sissies'  )