For Military Gun Folks.

[gyrene81]

Except that the M14 shoots waaaay bigger bullets!

-Penguin

Penguin, all I can say is:

[gyrene81]

Except that the M14 shoots waaaay bigger bullets!

-Penguin

Penguin, all I can say is:

[gyrene81]

Except that the M14 shoots waaaay bigger bullets!

-Penguin

Look at the magazine!

But the comparison you're making is like comparing the Desert Eagle to the Browning M2HB.  They are both chambered in .50 caliber; it's just that the Desert Eagle shoots .50 Action Express, and the M2HB shoots machine gun rounds.

You can't tell me that the bullets in the M1 Garand aren't smaller than the M14 bullets.

-Penguin

Penguin, all I can say is:

[Widewing]

I don't think that penguin undersands the difference between the M1 Garand and the M1 carbine. FWIW all 3 shoot the same diameter slug, 7.62. (.30 cal) The M14 and the Garand shoot a much heavier 7.62 slug in the 147 to 150 grain range, the M1 Carbine uses the 110 gr. short stubby bullet.

I think that Penguin is further confused by looking at the en bloc clip of the M1 and assuming it's actually a magazine. Here's a photo of a loaded en-bloc clip.




My regards,

Widewing

[Penguin]

I understand the difference, but I thought that you were talking about the carbine version of the weapon (the picture didn't really show that it was an en bloc).  I should have been more observant of the bottom of the gun and noticed that it didn't have a lower reciever.   

Hey, just to wonder, why is the clip for the M14 longer?

-Penguin

[Shifty]

I understand the difference, but I thought that you were talking about the carbine version of the weapon (the picture didn't really show that it was an en bloc).  I should have been more observant of the bottom of the gun and noticed that it didn't have a lower reciever.    

Hey, just to wonder, why is the clip for the M14 longer?

-Penguin

20 round magazine on the M-14
The en bloc clip for the M-1 holds 8 rounds.

The picture would have been better had I put rounds in the en blocs. However I fired all the rounds I had recently. 

[Penguin]

I mean longer as in from back to front.

-Penguin

[Widewing]

I mean longer as in from back to front.

-Penguin

Compare the full magazine to the loaded en bloc clips above.


My regards,

Widewing

[Saurdaukar]

Penquin, you may be mistaking the clips of the M1 Garand for magazines.
 

+1

[Penguin]

I can't really tell, I think they're of equal length. 

-Penguin

[Selino631]

The M1 was the finest battlefield implement ever made, why waste a good design.

wanst that a quote by Patton?

[Motherland]

Hey, just to wonder, why is the clip for the M14 longer?

That's what happens when it carries more than twice the ammunition

I can't really tell, I think they're of equal length. 

-Penguin

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Also, does an M14 (or any select fire rifle in .308, G3, FAL etc) have about the same recoil as a bolt action chambered for .308? Having shot .308 through a bolt action I can't imagine shooting it in full auto.

[Penguin]

Yes it does, plus that open bolt (M14) slapping you in the shoulder every time that you fire.

What I was alluding to was that I didn't see a loaded clip and a magazine side by side.  In the first photo, of course they are not.  I was referring to the photo where the clip was loaded.

-Penguin

[Widewing]

Yes it does, plus that open bolt (M14) slapping you in the shoulder every time that you fire.

What I was alluding to was that I didn't see a loaded clip and a magazine side by side.  In the first photo, of course they are not.  I was referring to the photo where the clip was loaded.

-Penguin

Disagree... I've fired several M14s as well as the CETME 58, H&K G3A3 and FN FAL. None of these kick as sharply as a bolt action shooting the same cartridge.

My regards,

Widewing

[Maverick]

Part of the recoil of the Garand and the M14 is mitigated by the forward motion of the bolt as it returns to battery. Both riflles are also heavier than the standard bolt action hunting rifle and that help take some sting out of the recoil. I shot more than a 50 rounds from a Garand in one day and the recoil was far less noticeable than that from a Remington in .308 (7.62 nato or 7.62 x 51) with a nice recoil pad. The Garand had the normal steel recoil pad mounted.