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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2010, 07:09:08 PM »
There is a theory of mine that I've been sticking with.  That theory is the first one to break low to their opponent (nose low) is normally putting themselves at a disadvantage in an equal alt merge.

here's my theory of how I think about dogfighting  ;)
I always and  probably never will stop with the attitude that I can beat anything I come up against, I am positive in my mind that I am going to be the victor in every incounter ( that means 1 vs 1 or  2 on me) I don't even rattle much if I hear a ping or 2 and don't freak about it, this thought with constant practice makes me fly better. I am not saying I am any better than the next guy here, but in my mind in a dogfight I am confident I can beat the opponent wether I do or don't. If I don't I take it as a grain of salt ( with a learning experience built in ) and try again.


although times have changed for me. physically is hard to keep that type of mental thought process up anymore..... when in the game. but I still try to fly thinking this way....




There is not much a Ki61 can extend from...not being a smart arse...just saying

I have not seen the film..

at the time in the film 1:18/1:19 area.......... he had the speed advantage and the opportunity to do just that...... extend, grab alt, and reset the fight or least hold the higher ground......

at time 1:16 thru 1:19 while madda hears Lazer firing at him but is not connecting, he is not taking any hits........ why would he feel  like he is being pummeled?  he looks back.. what does he see? he might see the P38's belly and nose pointing away from him, but he quickly picks up the Hurri coming in on him, maybe madda does not pick up on the E - read of the Hurri. thinks he is fast? perhaps... so he rolls back in, then finds himself right back infront of Lazer's guns.....

key thing about reviewing films of already flown fights is. could have, would have, should have........ we can review them and only tell what we feel is where someone messes up, or tell someone what we "think" they should have done..... it is real easy to slow the fight down , stop the fight, back it up when viewing the film.......  is like you are Father Time and can control it all.... but for the 2 people in the film..... they only have milliseconds to think, rethink, decipher, decide, execute, counter...etc.......

so we film our fights. we review our films, we learn from our reviews....... practice, practice, practice.....  :joystick:

what I do enjoy from seeing peoples replys to reviewing a film of someone else........ is it lets me see a glimpse of what they themselves are thinking ( the Reviewer posting his thoughts ), for alot of the older better sticks... I set and wonder how many of them have lurked, soaking up the posts of what people respond with , and how that person goes about a particular encounter.......  hmm..... :headscratch:
« Last Edit: January 19, 2010, 07:17:56 PM by TequilaChaser »
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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2010, 08:09:15 PM »
fair enough...next time I will watch before I comment.
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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2010, 08:17:40 PM »
oh I am not picking on you Tongs, I fully understand your comment about the ki61 extending from anything  :)

just in this film there was a possibility........

just like I  used a word from one of  humble's replys......does not mean I was picking on him or calling him out in regards to the word...... I just liked the way the word sounded


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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2010, 08:36:18 PM »
To learn you need to voice your opinion openly and to the best of your ability to articulate. The value of equally (or more) insightful comments the present a contrasting view offer the ability to expand your understanding. Like TC I enter every fight with the certainly that I will prevail. In my case that extends to a firm belief that ACM trumps plane type. I can honestly say that I haven't lost a fight in an SBD or A-20 that I didn't feel I had a chance somewhere and blew it. To me this results in a constant refining of -E ACM and the drive to push the "all in" earlier and earlier in a fight while I have maximum parity. So I'll look at this type of fight and see an awful lot early on...sometimes at the expense of seeing alternative options later in the encounter. Most of us are always learning and any time you muzzle yourself you inhibit the process...

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2010, 09:56:30 PM »

at time 1:16 thru 1:19 while madda hears Lazer firing at him but is not connecting, he is not taking any hits........ why would he feel  like he is being pummeled?  he looks back.. what does he see? he might see the P38's belly and nose pointing away from him, but he quickly picks up the Hurri coming in on him, maybe madda does not pick up on the E - read of the Hurri. thinks he is fast? perhaps... so he rolls back in, then finds himself right back infront of Lazer's guns.....

I wasn't worried about the missed shots at all actually.  I was more worried about trying to get a good position and to not set myself up for the Hurri. At that point I knew I was pretty screwed and was hoping to get slow. 

 I try to set up barrel roll defense style reversals a lot in the MA and bait guys into diving on me and sort of trick them into a fight before they have a chance to run fairly frequently.  Consequently I get shot at a lot, and it doesn't really bother me at all.  I also rope people in the K4 a lot, and many times they shoot before the stall out of desperation, I'm just used to it I think. 

I like that 61 a lot and feel good flying it most of the time, though it's not my main ride.  Lately though everything has just felt a bit off, which is probably why ended up with this thread.  It's good though, all this and the great commentary have lead me to analyzing it all a lot more than I have been lately which hopefully will set me up to work a bit smarter and get back on track to improvement again. 

As a side note, I believe I've fought Tongs a few times in the ma right?  A couple of times in KI61s even, unless I'm thinking of someone else perhaps?

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2010, 10:14:59 PM »
Aye madda you have....I was going to say that but I thought I'd had my knukles rapped by the teacher.... :D

I still have a laugh at that run you had in the Ki...that was too funny to watch.....

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2010, 10:19:19 PM »
I was laughing my bellybutton off at the time myself, that was good fun right there!

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2010, 08:34:01 PM »
Madda, I hope you don't mind me bumping the thread... It's just that the title suits my post so I figured I'd continue it.

Was dueling StuVinyl in the DA earlier this evening and he waxed me every round. However, this one fight in particular I felt as though I nearly had it - but one mistake and it was over.

About 3:30 in, we enter a rolling scissors that seemingly goes my way for a min and a half. I was trying to use the torque to snap over quickly at each roll but on the last one I lost control and fell through his flight path.

http://www.4shared.com/file/208474028/53c22510/studuel2.html

Hoping to receive a bit of criticism on:

1) My control of the plane throughout.
2) My decision making.

Striving to get better in both categories so any comments/criticism will be appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2010, 09:18:42 PM »
You can edit your film so it starts at the merge and cut it almost in half.

Lose the snap roll. It isn't doing anything for you.

Use the trail feature in AH Film and look at your helix. Remember the tighter helix wins a rolling scissors.

You start even for a couple turns then your higher yoyo at 3:25 gets you behind his 3/9 line.

You roll left and he breaks left and you get pretty even again.

You keep your lift vector behind him and work back into position but the throttle cut at the top of the roller is killing your maneuvering speed.

At 4:20 you put your lift vector in front of your target, notice how it puts you out front, and that's where you lost the fight.



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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2010, 09:34:40 PM »
Madda, I hope you don't mind me bumping the thread... It's just that the title suits my post so I figured I'd continue it.

Was dueling StuVinyl in the DA earlier this evening and he waxed me every round. However, this one fight in particular I felt as though I nearly had it - but one mistake and it was over.

About 3:30 in, we enter a rolling scissors that seemingly goes my way for a min and a half. I was trying to use the torque to snap over quickly at each roll but on the last one I lost control and fell through his flight path.

http://www.4shared.com/file/208474028/53c22510/studuel2.html

Hoping to receive a bit of criticism on:

1) My control of the plane throughout.
2) My decision making.

Striving to get better in both categories so any comments/criticism will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cursed



Hey I don't mind at all Q, er Cursed...

I'm glad to see any kind of an acm discussion and to see fights picked apart in detail.  I'm not going to be able to watch it tonight, but I'll check it out tomorrow night.  I won't be able to add much, as I'm working toward getting better myself, and I'm not really that good yet.   I might be able to give you something though. 

I will say that I absolutely trust FLS, I know and fly with him all the time in the MA and the TA duking it out, and he's good for sure.  Check out his input...

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2010, 06:17:24 AM »
Wasn't able to watch this from your perspective as it won't let me use recorded views. (trackir?) Not much your doing wrong I would've went tighter on the merge you seem hesitate there, and what FLS says about the throttle is true. As a general rule the less power your plane has the less throttle you should use, while it may seem to help gain angles at the start the longer the fight goes on your more likely to lose airspeed and fall behind in the scissors.

With 109s k4 needs the most throttle work, g14 slightly less, g6 & g2 are about the same f4 less again e4 virtually not at all, you get the idea, a good indicator in a rolling scissors of how close to the edge you are in 109s is a small 'drop' at the end of the downstroke. This means your letting off to much throttle its easy to recover from but lets you know to add slightly more throttle on the next rolling scissor. Its a good pointer for keeping your plane on the edge of the envelope. 

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2010, 10:33:24 AM »
Pervert I use padlock to watch films without saved views. It doesn't tell me where the pilot was looking but it shows me what he was likely to see with TrackIR.

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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2010, 10:52:03 AM »
it's better to be in out of plane lag any time your plane is at a performance or positional disadvantage and in plane when you can either exploit a performance or positional advantage...

great basic rule :aok


edit: out of interest Madda why merge with him at all? you had a big E advantage at the start, instead of burning most of it off why not just BnZ/E-fight him?
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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2010, 02:01:05 PM »
great basic rule :aok


edit: out of interest Madda why merge with him at all? you had a big E advantage at the start, instead of burning most of it off why not just BnZ/E-fight him?

Less fun for me that way. 

I started to try an e fight, my plan was to double immel and work from above, but I changed my mind halfway through.  The area was getting more and more crowded with red and I figured I'd die anyway, and I'd much rather die mixing it up than just being eventually caught by a group or a latecomer. 
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Re: Where did I go wrong?
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2010, 02:43:11 PM »
fair enuf :)
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