Actually, I find the 'Stangs in Il2 can turn well enough to give 109Gs a fight, are actually more maneuverable than the 47s, etc. AHII is the only WWII sim I've ever run into where the P-51 was less maneuverable than the P-47.
No kidding?
I'm using Hardballs' benchmarking program as my primary reference (I've spent much more IL-2 hours in the P-40, because it forced me to learn how to manage E,) and it gives the P-51 horrible turn ratings...
...though, I wouldn't be surprised if that benchmark was taken with the P-51 at full fuel load. I used to rage at the horrible handling of the 51 until I realized I was starting in the air with 100% fuel load- including the fuselage auxiliary tank.
If it can really turn good enough to compete with a Gustav... that'd be on par with it's historical performance, in fact. And since I'd been focusing on improving my E management skills, I never tried extended turning fights with it. Well, I know what I'm doing tonight- validating this theory!
Agree with BnZs. It's a fantasy that Russian aircraft are overdone in Il-2. If anything, they are worse than in AH. Fire up Il-2, dive an La-7 to 450mph ias (no g load) and tell me what happens.
I took about an hour to investigate this claim and I think you have a point- IL-2 performance of Russian planes seems to match Russian historical performance tests- not the tests, or estimates, of other nations. Perhaps it's just that other aircraft are
under-modeled, but in my time in American birds I've never had any gripes that didn't match the historical grumbles, so perhaps I've been too hasty in my assessments there.
Also, I also use the mouse for views. I use a desktop-replacement laptop as my main computer, and since the touchpad is always under my thumb, it's actually a pretty quick way to adjust the view.
That's EXACTLY how I tried to snap-roll in IL-2. Full hard back stick and simultaneous full left rudder (the Corsair snap-rolls better to the left due to the engine torque. At least in AH). All I ended up with was the nose kind of mushing around a bit.
I'd put it down to your control settings, then. As I said, IL-2 can be iffy when it comes to stick input detection on start-up. It must be this, because I just went into IL-2 and performed a right-hand snap-roll in an F4U-D with no problem whatsoever. When I tried a left-handed snap-roll the nose came up a bit and then she broke to the right anyways as the engine torque had it's way (perhaps the direction of torque is mismodeled in either IL-2 or AH?) I'll post the video of this test tomorrow.
EDIT: Also whoever said that "all planes" have the "same flap settings" clearly spent less then ten minutes with the game. IL-2 just labels various flap settings with "take-off, landing," etc, instead of setting 1, 2, 3, or 20, 30, 40, degrees, etc. I'd rather have degrees but whatever. You take up a Spit, and you'll see the flap control toggle do just that- toggle. Flaps will go between "landing" (full setting) and "up."
EDIT THE SECOND: Hilariously enough, I cannot manage to induce a snap-roll in a Corsair in AH (stall limiter off.) I probably need to monkey with input scaling again...
