How about the Spit Mk14 (XIV)

[Pongo]

Dont want to give the impression I dont like the spit. got 2 spit xiv models right here and lots of books.
I never realized that the spit ix is slower then the 190. I realized that I could pull away from them and that the 51 and g10 where faster but not 50mph..
Are we sure there is not a faster merlin we could put in the spit XVI?...what does the HF have?
Saying that the spit XIV was developed in response to the G10 is of course backwards, it was developed in response to the FW I believe. The G10 is really a contemporary of the XIV and D9.
Well bring it on I guess you have my vote. I hope you are right about the design trade offs with weight and touque....I would like to fly it..increases our chance of getting Canadian markings on a spitfire....
It will sure cut down on the spit IX infestation....
Recognition would be interesting...Could be a big mistake to think you where atacking a spit V and finding out in your chute your mistake...

[Minotaur]

Somtimes I sit back in my chair.  In my mind I delete the name and the country of origin from all the planes modeled in AH.

I think to myself.  This one does this and that one does that.  This one does this well, but lousy at that.  That one sucks, except for this for which it does well.  This one does nothing well, but everything so so.  I would use this one for that and that one for this.  If I get tired of this one can I fly that one.  Etc etc etc...  

I finish my beer.  Then I go back to hitting golf balls.  I don't give it much more thought.  Well, one more thought maybe.  I see the wisdom in the plane set for play balance and variety.  I mentally pat the guys and girls at HTC on the back.

Schwack!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

[funked]

Pongo said (and RAM sorta did too):

 

I hope you are right about the design trade offs with weight and torque....

I'm almost certain this will be be true.  It's also got a backwards-rotating prop which will probably confuse some pilots, as does the Typhoon.  

It will still probably be a relatively nice-handling plane, but I don't see how it could have the agility and stability of the Mk. IX or the Mk. V (which handles better than the IX).

[juzz]

The Spitfire Mk IX was the "stopgap" produced to counter the Fw 190A by fitting a Merlin 61 engine into the body of a Mk V; because the proper Merlin 61 plane - the Mk VIII, wasn't ready. The Spitfire F.Mk IX in AH currently performs like the more powerful HF.Mk IX in top speed only, ie: it's about 10mph too fast. It needs to be fixed.

The first Griffon(III or IV) engined Spitfire, the Mk XII was also produced to counter the Fw 190A, mainly because they were making low-level jabo attacks over British territory. They were operational in February 1943.

The Spitfire Mk XIV was the next Griffon(65) engined Spitfire. While deliveries to units started in January, they did not become operational until June 1944.

Pongo - if you want a better Merlin engined Spitfire, to avoid confusion it should be either a Mk VIII(F,LF or HF) or Mk XVI(LF). The main difference is that they can climb faster since they have about 100hp more power.

[Jochen]

 

If spitfire 14 ever gets modeled - whining will never stop.

Only whines I have ever seen in AGW about XIV are from RAF pilots!  

It does not turn like it should, bad low speed handling etc etc etc. And XIV has never been a trouble for arena balance like IX was at some point, now of course it is some other plane. Funny how IEN can throw things around with new versions of FM's and gun lethality...

I don't think XIV would be a too uber to handle. I bet it would suffer from same problems as 109G-10 which had much more engine power than the airframe was ever designed for. Sure, it can climb and fly fast but there is ways to beat it.

Of courses XIV will be modeled! And it is good.

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jochen

Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (Warbirds)

JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)

I want to believe! Fw 190F-8 / G-8 / D-9 to Aces High!

Thanks for the Fw 190A-5 HTC!

Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes

[Hristo]

Typical co-E merge with Spit.

We merge full speed, 20k. HO is about to develop - I fake it, he takes it (Spit is actually a poor turner, so its drivers resort to desperate HOs). After he misses, he pulls as hard as he can to get on my 6, mostly in horizontal. I loop lazily and dictate the fight afterwards. Then they say Spit IX isn't competitive.

[funked]

LOL Hristo!  You seem to be saying that the people (including me) that don't think the Spitfire F. Mk. IX is competitive enough, fly like the pilot in your little story.

It's great that you can beat a 1942 Spitfire with your 1945 Me 109.

But don't confuse the people posting on this thread with the pilot in your "Typical co-E merge with Spit".

I don't fly that way, and my squadron does not fly that way.

Please be careful who you slander in the future.

P.S.  You want me to start posting G-10 driver stereotypes?  Certainly there some good ones, but how would you like it if I told a story about some bad ones, and lumped you in with them?


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[Hristo]

No no no, Spit is 1932 plane, while G-10 is from 1955 ! And it was in use until 1987.

I'd like to hear those 109 stereotype stories Funked...need a laugh righ now  

As for number of Spit pilots who HO in that situation, roughly 50% of all I meet. Blame them for poor Spit score in the arena. They even HO from alt advantage.

IMO, many Spit pilots think guns and not flying.



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[funked]

I agree with you about that 50% of Spit pilots, I just didn't like the implication that the guys on this thread were part of that 50%.    

And no, I won't post G-10 stereotypes.  It would just start a flame war probably.  

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[-aper-]

Hristo is right exactly.

Some weeks ago I flew Typhoon and what I found out: P-51,P-38, 109 etc tryed to avoid HO with me. Even some F4Us pilots faked HO, but all Spit drivers went HO with me  as if I were in C47  

[funked]

You're a real class act Aper.

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[StSanta]

Maybe I suck as a pilot, but I was in a fight with tukiyo. I was in a 109G10, he was in a Spit IX.

It took me a good deal of time to get him low, because he flew the Spit intelligently against the 109, keeping his speed and e up.

In the end, I was so low on fuel (even prior to engaging) that I had to bug out and rtb.

Spits are good, I think. So are 109's. They're about equally balanced, even though IMHO the Spit holds E a little too well.



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StSanta
II/JG2

[funked]

StSanta, because of the Spitfire wing design, it should "hold more energy" (have less induced drag) than the 109.  

However I don't have the expertise to determine if the difference should be as large as in AH.

[niklas]

Spit9 does NOT hold E very well here in AH in a turn. In WB- yes, in AH- NO!

190 holds E (speed) better in a turn with high G-load!

test it offline!

Best plane in this category is mc205/202, followed by the P38 and.. 190A8. The wings of the A8 are GOOD, very good here.
The worst planes are Typhoon and F4U, followed by La5, 109, Spit (Spit close to 109)

niklas

[Kieren]

 

Best plane in this category is mc205/202,

No way. Take your 205 more than one turn against a Spit IX and see who loses E first.