Haiti

[RTHolmes]

like i said, daisycutters would do the job pretty well

wow. I understand that you may not give a toss about anyone but yourself and therefore not want to help someone in need, but I'm intrigued why you would want to go to the site of a natural disaster and then start indiscriminate mass murder? this goes beyond moral ambivalence into the realm of psychosis. this is exactly the kind of attitude displayed by perpetrators of mass shootings. I recommend you seek some psychiatric evaluation before you're triggered and the fantasies turn into reality.

[ZetaNine]

I'm all for helping them...............THERE.  not here.

70% of them are unemployed and have been all their life...meaning they have no (or very limited)job skills...not to mention many are illiterate..and oh by the way...they speak french creole.

I'm stunned some in our govt want to bring 40K plus of them here.  many of them are standing in line right now at outside of the airport, waiting for a chance to be flown here....and become a US citizen.  I cannot possibly stress enough how that will burden our economy even more...and become a permanent problem.  some of these people I mention that are standing in line waiting to come here...actually have roosters in their hands...waiting to board a plane.

I'd rather see us lease a cruise ship or decommishioned carrier off their shore.  sure it will still cost us tons of money and drain our economy...but at least it won't burden our already maxxed out hospitals, schools, cops, courts, and prisons here.

[MORAY37]

You have to remember... New Orleans is more like Haiti than most US cities. A lot of folks there are still on handouts. The fact remains that Alabama was hit harder than New Orleans. Alabama just had better folks and better leadership.

That is an ignorant statement seeping with racism.  


The facts....

Region    Per Capita Welfare Expenditure
 
United States   $1,240
 
Alabama   $1,122
Alaska   $2,062
Arizona   $983
Arkansas   $1,226
California   $1,232
Colorado   $736
Connecticut   $1,326
Delaware   $2,121
District of Columbia   $2,159
Florida   $994
Georgia   $909
Hawaii   $1,129
Idaho   $1,001
Illinois   $1,052
Indiana   $1,025
Iowa   $1,188
Kansas   $1,033
Kentucky   $1,351
Louisiana   $1,075
Maine   $1,899
Maryland   $1,162
Massachusetts   $1,779
Michigan   $979
Minnesota   $1,780
Mississippi   $1,294
Missouri   $1,027
Montana   $908
Nebraska   $1,136
Nevada   $719
New Hampshire   $1,122
New Jersey   $1,435
New Mexico   $1,476
New York   $2,239
North Carolina   $1,109
North Dakota   $1,144
Ohio   $1,452
Oklahoma   $1,138
Oregon   $1,050
Pennsylvania   $1,633
Rhode Island   $2,025
South Carolina   $1,103
South Dakota   $950
Tennessee   $1,250
Texas   $870
Utah   $913
Vermont   $1,809
Virginia   $952
Washington   $1,052
West Virginia   $1,298
Wisconsin   $1,293
Wyoming   $1,143


City, State, % People Below Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

[LCCajun]

Ok I am torn. I think we need to help our own country first there are to many unemployed and homeless, for us to go saving everybody else especially the ones who can't help us after they get back on their feet. The only reason why I would say not to help them is b/c we have our own problems that need to be dealt with in the US first. I do not agree that we need to go blow up a place that is already struggling like they are.

[68ZooM]

That is an ignorant statement seeping with racism. 


The facts....

Region    Per Capita
 
United States   $1,240
 
Alabama   $1,122
Alaska   $2,062
Arizona   $983
Arkansas   $1,226
California   $1,232
Colorado   $736
Connecticut   $1,326
Delaware   $2,121
District of Columbia   $2,159
Florida   $994
Georgia   $909
Hawaii   $1,129
Idaho   $1,001
Illinois   $1,052
Indiana   $1,025
Iowa   $1,188
Kansas   $1,033
Kentucky   $1,351
Louisiana   $1,075
Maine   $1,899
Maryland   $1,162
Massachusetts   $1,779
Michigan   $979
Minnesota   $1,780
Mississippi   $1,294
Missouri   $1,027
Montana   $908
Nebraska   $1,136
Nevada   $719
New Hampshire   $1,122
New Jersey   $1,435
New Mexico   $1,476
New York   $2,239
North Carolina   $1,109
North Dakota   $1,144
Ohio   $1,452
Oklahoma   $1,138
Oregon   $1,050
Pennsylvania   $1,633
Rhode Island   $2,025
South Carolina   $1,103
South Dakota   $950
Tennessee   $1,250
Texas   $870
Utah   $913
Vermont   $1,809
Virginia   $952
Washington   $1,052
West Virginia   $1,298
Wisconsin   $1,293
Wyoming   $1,143


City, State, % People Below Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

you have a link to this data?

[ZetaNine]

I think what shuffler means is that a large majority of NOLA's population over the last three generations has been raised on, and now must cling to, govt entitlements. ie: govt assistance for food, shelter and medicine... and by doing that....they became overly dependent upon the govt to fill all their needs.  NOLA is perhaps the best argument against too much govt entitlements...as it destroys communities...

because of this... we saw the "where's my fema trailer" mentality...with people looking to the govt to solve their food and shelter issues...rather than family and neighbors...such as you see when...for instance..a mid western town is blown away by a tornado.  typically they are not jumping in front of tv cameras asking where the govt is..they are usually helping each other.

[MORAY37]

I'm all for helping them...............THERE.  not here.

70% of them are unemployed and have been all their life...meaning they have no (or very limited)job skills...not to mention many are illiterate..and oh by the way...they speak french creole.

I'm stunned some in our govt want to bring 40K plus of them here.  many of them are standing in line right now at outside of the airport, waiting for a chance to be flown here....and become a US citizen.  I cannot possibly stress enough how that will burden our economy even more...and become a permanent problem.  some of these people I mention that are standing in line waiting to come here...actually have roosters in their hands...waiting to board a plane.

I'd rather see us lease a cruise ship or decommishioned carrier off their shore.  sure it will still cost us tons of money and drain our economy...but at least it won't burden our already maxxed out hospitals, schools, cops, courts, and prisons here.

Wow.  Just wow.  

Prior to my real job, I worked my way through college and was fortunate to work with many Haitians.  They were the hardest working, most polite people I've ever known.  Every single one of them spoke flawless english.  None of them, and I mean NONE of them EVER missed a day of work.  If someone was late, 4 of their friends were calling and finding him.  They policed themselves, and didn't need supervision for anything.  Every single one of them felt privileged to be here, and every single one of them were proud to have become naturalized citizens. Most of them worked 3 jobs at a time.

We fired one Hatian in the 6 years I was working through undergrad and Master's. That was due to a lying "Anglo-American" who was fired a week later when it was discovered he set the Haitian up, he was bragging about it..  We called that Haitian man up, and he refused his job back.  Refused to work where he didn't feel respected, no matter what.

This thread is sickening and needs to die.

[ZetaNine]

Wow.  Just wow.  

Prior to my real job, I worked my way through college and was fortunate to work with many Haitians.  They were the hardest working, most polite people I've ever known.  Every single one of them spoke flawless english.  None of them, and I mean NONE of them EVER missed a day of work.  If someone was late, 4 of their friends were calling and finding him.  They policed themselves, and didn't need supervision for anything.  Every single one of them felt privileged to be here, and every single one of them were proud to have become naturalized citizens. Most of them worked 3 jobs at a time.

We fired one Hatian in the 6 years I was working through undergrad and Master's. That was due to a lying "Anglo-American" who was fired a week later when it was discovered he set the Haitian up, he was bragging about it..  We called that Haitian man up, and he refused his job back.  Refused to work where he didn't feel respected, no matter what.

This thread is sickening and needs to die.

I stand by the fact that 70% of them are unemployed, not educated, and speak french.  I would also suggest to you that living in south florida...miles from "little haiti"...I think I know what I'm talking about.  but I appreciate your sugar coated thoughts, Mr. Kellog.

[MORAY37]

 

[MORAY37]

I stand by the fact that 70% of them are unemployed, not educated, and speak french.  I would also suggest to you that living in south florida...miles from "little haiti"...I think I know what I'm talking about.  but I appreciate your sugar coated thoughts, Mr. Kellog.

Pretty funny.  I'm talking ABOUT South Florida.  Went to school at UM, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences.

[68ZooM]

Moray do you have the link to that data you posted? id like to look at all of it not just what you wanted us to see, if your going to post figures wheres the link to back it up?

[ZetaNine]

additionally...there is a major difference between what I am talking about...which is immediate repatriation of foreign nationals...and those who came here and earned their citizenship.

"the thread needs to die"...  ??? silence the opposing opinions, eh?  Haitian is NOT a race........it's a nationality.......so don't go there.

[MORAY37]

Moray do you have the link to that data you posted? id like to look at all of it not just what you wanted us to see, if your going to post figures wheres the link to back it up?

68, check the Census.

Governing.com will also have it.

edit  http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp
Welfare
Region    Recipients Per 10,000 Residents
 
United States   128
 
Alabama   87
Alaska   128
Arizona   119
Arkansas   68
California   317
Colorado   52
Connecticut   98
Delaware   94
District of Columbia   246
Florida   40
Georgia   45
Hawaii   107
Idaho   16
Illinois   53
Indiana   185
Iowa   138
Kansas   130
Kentucky   138
Louisiana   55
Maine   184
Maryland   72
Massachusetts   139
Michigan   189
Minnesota   122
Mississippi   79
Missouri   152
Montana   85
Nebraska   74
Nevada   68
New Hampshire   80
New Jersey   93
New Mexico   174
New York   135
North Carolina   51
North Dakota   82
Ohio   142
Oklahoma   2
Oregon   113
Pennsylvania   120
Rhode Island   188
South Carolina   74
South Dakota   75
Tennessee   253
Texas   55
Utah   43
Vermont   179
Virginia   81
Washington   179
West Virginia   122
Wisconsin   64
Wyoming   9

http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=710

2 years after Katrina.

[ZetaNine]

68, check the Census.

Governing.com will also have it.

edit  http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp

matters not.  your figures are irrelevant when discussing the context of NOLA post hurricane.

[MORAY37]

matters not.  your figures are irrelevant when discussing the context of NOLA post hurricane.

I'm posting in response to Shuffler's assertion that New Orlean's is a city of Welfare beggars.  

Region    Welfare Caseload Change
 
United States   -6.3%
 
Alabama   -4.7%
Alaska   -11.5%
Arizona   -9.1%
Arkansas   12.9%
California   11.1%
Colorado   -30.1%
Connecticut   -4.0%
Delaware   -30.6%
District of Columbia   -62.7%
Florida   -9.4%
Georgia   -22.2%
Hawaii   -18.8%
Idaho   -20.2%
Illinois   -21.8%
Indiana   0.8%
Iowa   4.2%
Kansas   -18.2%
Kentucky   -14.2%
Louisiana   0.9%
Maine   -4.2%
Maryland   -6.9%
Massachusetts   -1.9%
Michigan   -13.5%
Minnesota   -5.6%
Mississippi   -11.2%
Missouri   -1.9%
Montana   -16.7%
Nebraska   -45.0%
Nevada   45.3%
New Hampshire   -22.5%
New Jersey   -18.1%
New Mexico   -16.5%
New York   -13.4%
North Carolina   -17.6%
North Dakota   -24.5%
Ohio   -2.1%
Oklahoma   -96.2%
Oregon   1.6%
Pennsylvania   -37.5%
Rhode Island   -15.6%
South Carolina   -5.5%
South Dakota   -3.6%
Tennessee   -11.8%
Texas   -12.1%
Utah   -33.5%
Vermont   3.6%
Virginia   -11.8%
Washington   -7.0%
West Virginia   -1.0%
Wisconsin   -8.5%
Wyoming   -8.2%

http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=711