Question about OS

[kilz]

ok here is my system info

         BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A06
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs)
             Memory: 3070MB RAM
          Page File: 512MB used, 4442MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: The file cmudau.sys is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL).  You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type: GeForce 8800 Ultra
         DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0194&SUBSYS_046510DE&REV_A2
   Display Memory: 768.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
          Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
      Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0011.9062 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 8/16/2009 23:57:00, 5845760 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 8/16/2009 23:57:00, 7729568 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-42D4-11CF-0850-6E2403C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0194
        SubSys ID: 0x046510DE
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
 Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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            Description: Audio Advantage SRM Device
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: USB\Vid_10f5&Pid_0200&Rev_0010&MI_00
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: cmudau.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0040 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Debug
            WHQL Logo'd: No
          Date and Size: 10/3/2005 10:07:34, 1334272 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Turtle Beach
         HW Accel Level: Full
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 100000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 65, 64
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 65, 64
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): Yes
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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            Description: Audio Advantage SRM Device
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: cmudau.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0040 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Debug
          Date and Size: 10/3/2005 10:07:34, 1334272 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0xCC0

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DirectMusic
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        DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
     DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
    Acceleration: n/a
           Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                  Audio Advantage SRM Device, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
        Registry: OK
     Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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      Device Name: Mouse
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: T.16000M
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x044F, 0xB10A
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8020
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8020
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8020
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: USB Audio
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x10F5, 0x0200
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
         Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x036C
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:37, 59520 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/10/2004 02:00:00, 4736 bytes
|
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x044F, 0xB10A
| | Location: T.16000M
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03
| | Service: HidUsb
| | OEMData: 03 00 08 10 10 00 00 00
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:27, 10368 bytes
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:26, 36864 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:22, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 4/13/2008 15:11:54, 20992 bytes
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant game controller
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x044F, 0xB10A
| | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_game
| | | OEMData: 03 00 08 10 10 00 00 00
| |
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x1532, 0x0001
| | Location: Razer 1600dpi Mouse
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03&subclass_01
| | Service: HidUsb
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:27, 10368 bytes
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:26, 36864 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 4/13/2008 09:45:22, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 4/13/2008 15:11:54, 20992 bytes
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant mouse
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x1532, 0x0001
| | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| | | Service: mouhid
| | | Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 09:39:47, 23040 bytes
| | | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/10/2004 02:00:00, 12160 bytes



all i am wanting to know is.

Is it worth upgrading to windows 7?

Can i upgrade to Windows 7?

Is it worth it to upgrade to Windows 7?

[OOZ662]

Your system looks more than adequate. Personally, I don't see a reason to spend money on upgrading, but that's just me and my broke self.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Hey.  I resemble that remark!

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't:

resemble = look alike something

resent = disapprove/dislike something?

[OOZ662]

I believe the "correct/original form" should be "represent."

[Skuzzy]

Windows 7 has better memory management and some improvements in networking which makes for faster downloads speeds and upload speeds. XP still outperforms Win7 in most games but already there are games showing up that will not run on XP. Any game that requires DirectSound3D will fail under Vista or Win7 but since most games now support OpenAL there is less of a problem on Win7. Win7 still has audio issues a lot like Vista has but there is a little more improvement also.

If you have an SLI rig you will discover that SLI works with vsync under Win7 (Vista also) but fails under XP even on the exact same rig. It must be a conspiracy. Microsoft needs a strong competitor.

Windows 7, like Vista, has a really screwy network stack.  It is not any faster or any slower than the XP stack.  It takes more CPU time to run it.

Games that require DirectSound will still work on Vista and Windows 7.  Case in point: Aces High requires DirectSound.  What Microsoft did was provide a dummy API to re-route all the sound calls through the regular Windows sound API.  It sucks, due to the higher overhead and generally inflexible formats, but that is what we are stuck with.

I am sticking with XP for the moment.  2GB of RAM allows me to do videographer work on hours and hours of footage and never swap.  Because of the idiotic things Microsoft does with RAM in Vista/Windows 7, you need 8GB of RAM to get almost the performance I can squeeze out of 2GB of RAM.

I find the requirement for more hardware to do the same thing, slower and more unstable than before (the videographer forums are ripe with complaints about Vista/7, always followed by, "it used to work in XP..."), rather idiotic.

[kilz]

Windows 7, like Vista, has a really screwy network stack.  It is not any faster or any slower than the XP stack.  It takes more CPU time to run it.

Games that require DirectSound will still work on Vista and Windows 7.  Case in point: Aces High requires DirectSound.  What Microsoft did was provide a dummy API to re-route all the sound calls through the regular Windows sound API.  It sucks, due to the higher overhead and generally inflexible formats, but that is what we are stuck with.

I am sticking with CP for the moment.  2GB of RAM allows me to do videographer work on hours and hours of footage and never swap.  Because of the idiotic things Microsoft does with RAM in Vista/Windows 7, you need 8GB of RAM to get almost the performance I can squeeze out of 2GB of RAM.

I find the requirement for more hardware to do the same thing, slower and more unstable than before (the videographer forums are ripe with complaints about Vista/7, always followed by, "it used to work in XP..."), rather idiotic.

thank you skuzzy i think i will stick with my XP for now but i might up it to the 64bit edition

[Skuzzy]

I would not use the 64bit version of XP.  It is far more unstable, with less support, than the 64bit version of Windows 7.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I believe the "correct/original form" should be "represent."

I don't think so. http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/represent

If you 'represented' the thing it would mean you would stand up for it happily which I doubt was the meaning.

Then again if you resent something you strongly disapprove the thing at matter.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/resent

Sorry for hijack but I see this mistake repeated a hundred times on AH BB alone.

[OOZ662]

If you 'represented' the thing it would mean you would stand up for it happily which I doubt was the meaning.

See definition #9 or #4.

[gyrene81]

Ahhh Ripley...the joke went over your head...the term "I resemble that remark" has been, for many years, a tongue in cheek manner of acknowledging that a disparaging  description of something or someone would fit you personally rather than being resentful of said description.

It is intentional, not a mistake.



I'm just now getting around to digging into Win7...with the 64bit version, so far attempting to "crash explorer" in similar manner that XP can be crashed easily has been unsuccessful...I've gotten errors, closed the notifications, then windows explorer resets itself and keeps on trucking...with XP I could get a BSOD really easily, even lock the system up so tight all you can do is pull the plug...I'm still working on trying to reproduce many of the things XP is notorious for but so far...Win7 64bit is much better than XP. I have yet to get a process to zombie out with 100% cpu usage. Just make sure you disable anything to do with IPv6 on your network connections...and kill all the fancy eye candy poop.


To Skuzzy's point about XP...no offense sir, but your assertions on XP are based on your system configurations and I seriously doubt you are running the same XP configurations that the players in AH are...without the operating system tweaks you have performed, your system would not do so well with 2 GB of RAM regardless of the hardware...Win7 64bit Pro on just a dual core system with 4GB of RAM will run much better than XP Sp3 on the same hardware without having to trim the processes down to improve performance...the 32bit version of Win7 is more stable than XP but does not offer much increase in performance, just a little more stability...even software incompatibility has been minimized unlike XP.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

See definition #9 or #4.

So what he said in essence here:
Hey.  I resemble that remark!

is "Hey I fit the bill" or did he want to say "Hey I resent that remark" meaning he didnt want to be categorized as 'people with 10 year old dells' in a negative fashion?

[gyrene81]

So what he said in essence here:
Hey.  I resemble that remark!

is "Hey I fit the bill"

Yes sir, that's it exactly...just a good natured response.

[Skuzzy]

<snip>To Skuzzy's point about XP...no offense sir, but your assertions on XP are based on your system configurations and I seriously doubt you are running the same XP configurations that the players in AH are...without the operating system tweaks you have performed, your system would not do so well with 2 GB of RAM regardless of the hardware...Win7 64bit Pro on just a dual core system with 4GB of RAM will run much better than XP Sp3 on the same hardware without having to trim the processes down to improve performance...the 32bit version of Win7 is more stable than XP but does not offer much increase in performance, just a little more stability...even software incompatibility has been minimized unlike XP.

There is some truth to the performance issue between XP and Windows 7.  I do keep a clean XP system, whereas most people do not.  If you bloat up any OS, they will all suffer performance issues.

Go tell all the videographers I hang around with how Windows 7 is faster and more stable than XP.  They will laugh you off the board.  Many have tried 7 and went back to XP.  They cannot afford the down time.  They do this for a living.  Most of the problem has to do with all the software utilities designed to make a videographers life easier not working well, if at all, under Windows 7.

Regardless, with Windows 7, you have to double the amount of RAM to do the same things you could do in XP.

I am not saying Windows 7 is bad.  It is much better than Vista.  If you are not having any issues with Windows XP, I see no compelling reason to upgrade.  I still would stay away from the 64bit version of XP.

Persoanlly, there is no compelling reason to upgrade.  I have yet to run into any software I could not install and user under XP.  Not saying there is not any, as there is.  I just have not run into any yet.

[BaldEagl]

So what he said in essence here:
Hey.  I resemble that remark!

is "Hey I fit the bill"

This is correct.  I meant that he just described me (i.e. I resemble the people he mentioned).  I resemble that remark is a common phrase.  While I'm not sure of it's origins I believe it was originally a Bugs Bunny quote.

Although I do have a ten year old Dell thank goodness it's not my only machine.

[EDIT]  I did an Internet search and as closely as I can tell the  phrase was originally credited to Curly of the Three Stooges in response to a comment about riff-raff.

[MadHatter]

There is some truth to the performance issue between XP and Windows 7.  I do keep a clean XP system, whereas most people do not.  If you bloat up any OS, they will all suffer performance issues.

Go tell all the videographers I hang around with how Windows 7 is faster and more stable than XP.  They will laugh you off the board.  Many have tried 7 and went back to XP.  They cannot afford the down time.  They do this for a living.  Most of the problem has to do with all the software utilities designed to make a videographers life easier not working well, if at all, under Windows 7.

Regardless, with Windows 7, you have to double the amount of RAM to do the same things you could do in XP.

I am not saying Windows 7 is bad.  It is much better than Vista.  If you are not having any issues with Windows XP, I see no compelling reason to upgrade.  I still would stay away from the 64bit version of XP.

Persoanlly, there is no compelling reason to upgrade.  I have yet to run into any software I could not install and user under XP.  Not saying there is not any, as there is.  I just have not run into any yet.

Basically, it sounds like, "If it aint broke, don't fix it".