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Offline PJ_Godzilla

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Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:12:06 AM »
After months of playing, if lucky, 1-2 hours per week, and flying 109s and 190s, I've discovered both the Spits and the N1K2. It was like a revelation. I mean, I'd flown and turnfought Spits before but had little idea how easy it is to wrack up kills in both the Spixteen and Seafire. Saturday, I got an easy ten landed (installments of 2, 3,3,2) kills in the N1K2. I had no idea what a fine bomber buster/dogfighter this thing is. Indeed, on one of my sorties, I approached a triad of B-26s flown by some guy name "Fangsout" and, by slewing the rudder a bit, blew away 2 of em on the first pass and saw the system message before I even knew I'd downed 'em. Dealing with the third was cake after that.

The George is a fine balance of maneuverability, firepower, robustness, and speed. As for the Spits, well, they're just easy - call 'em a Noob special. By the end of my "experiment" away from the LuftStable, I got 17 kills (and died a few times too, just in case anybody thinks I'm braying - though my fighter ranking went from dismal to respectable - I climbed about a thousand spots), two assists in about 2-3 hours this w/e and it precipitated some further thought on other late-war Japanese types.

I found 3 right away that looked intriguing - the Ki-100, Ki-102, and Ki-44. All three meet the, imj, rather silly inclusion criteria - which I'd replace with, "if we've got test data, include 'em, proto, experimental, ALL, as time and priority permit".

The Nakajima Ki-44 shoki was mostly a buffbuster. The Kawasaki Ki-100 was a derivative of the Ki-61 and served as a high altitude interceptor. Oddly, a simple search here at the site revealed nothing on it or the ki-61-ii (using ki-100 I truned up 40 pages of junk that appeared totally unrelated, though I didn't rifle through all of it, ki-61-ii turned up nada). The Kawasaki Ki-102 was a twin groundpounder. This last, at only 241 copies, would, admittedly, have had marginal impact on the war.
As for the Ki-100, it too was produced only in a small quantity (275 copies). The Ki-44, otoh, would've been more significant and HAS been written of here before.

Anyway, I want 'em all and am re-energized on flying again. Also, I died twice at the hands of HiSpd in his Tempest this w/e. He's renewed my appreciation of "that type" of fighting - I guess you'd call it hiE B and Z. In the D-9, though, typically my gunnery lets me down. I miss way too often on my high-speed pass. It's very cool to see that from the victim side, though, to understand how it's meant to work.

« Last Edit: February 08, 2010, 09:45:48 AM by PJ_Godzilla »
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 11:11:23 AM »
Great addition for the Jap A/C set.

Ki-100:  great match against the B-29, effective gun package, good clime rate and excellent speed at high alt.  only 395 where build but smaller numbers build depend on what variant.

Ki-44:  Good early war A/C to add.

Ki-102: We really do need a twine engine jap fighter A/C.  Not sure if this would be one of them do to limited action it saw. 

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 12:51:08 PM »
Great addition for the Jap A/C set.

Ki-100:  great match against the B-29, effective gun package, good clime rate and excellent speed at high alt.  only 395 where build but smaller numbers build depend on what variant.

Ki-44:  Good early war A/C to add.

Ki-102: We really do need a twine engine jap fighter A/C.  Not sure if this would be one of them do to limited action it saw. 



the Ki-100's speed and performance at high altitude was hampered by the Ha-112-II engine it used and struggled to intercept B-29s when they flew at high altitudes.


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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 01:44:01 PM »
the Ki-100's speed and performance at high altitude was hampered by the Ha-112-II engine it used and struggled to intercept B-29s when they flew at high altitudes.


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Your are right.  i over looked on that.  it was not as effective at high alt but fair better at med alt. 
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 02:07:43 PM »
PJ_Godzilla,

Look into the J2M3 and J2M5 Raiden 'Jack' as well.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 02:11:11 PM »
PJ_Godzilla,

Look into the J2M3 and J2M5 Raiden 'Jack' as well.
Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 02:44:59 PM »
Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.

well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war.  problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.



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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 02:52:34 PM »
well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war.  problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.




[insert old rolleyes smiley]

Try doing some research before spouting off.

While it is true that not many J2Ms were built, the type is actually a mid-war design that was canceled and then reinstated because it could intercept B-29s.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 02:57:00 PM »
well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war.  problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.
I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air...  :D

Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 03:00:23 PM »
[insert old rolleyes smiley]

Try doing some research before spouting off.

While it is true that not many J2Ms were built, the type is actually a mid-war design that was canceled and then reinstated because it could intercept B-29s.

I'm familiar... but others have flakked for the Raiden - and will again, I'm sure.

If I recall correctly, Sakae writes of flying a Raiden late-war. I read his book a long time ago.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 03:03:59 PM »
I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air...  :D

Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.


Well, we still have the 262 and 163. 
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 03:24:28 PM »
Agree with all of these. More Japanese planes please.

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 03:26:53 PM »
I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air...  :D

Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.


Is it the airspeed or the guns that make the KI-84 somewhat ineffective against the 24s at 25k??

If its really only the guns, I would like to see the KI-84lb introduced to solve the gun problem. :airplane:


Btw, all of the OPs offerings sound pretty good too!!
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 03:45:50 PM »
Is it the airspeed or the guns that make the KI-84 somewhat ineffective against the 24s at 25k??
Airspeed, the B-24s flying level were going too fast to actually catch up to...had to dive to gain enough speed then climb and coming up from under them it's a crawl.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 03:47:21 PM »
Airspeed, the B-24s flying level were going too fast to actually catch up to...had to dive to gain enough speed then climb and coming up from under them it's a crawl.
B-24s were flying too fast for a proper scenario then.  They should have been cruising at about 200mph, not flying full out at about 300mph.
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