Author Topic: "Uber" planes revisited (Read 3103 times)

juzz · « **on:** May 17, 2000, 08:58:00 PM »

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Plane Perks. For version 1.04, we will be introducing a new system to AH that will allow players to earn the right to fly certain late-war high performance aircraft that we otherwise would not put in the game due to balance issues.

Any jet/rocket aircraft obviously fits into this category. Eg: Me 262, Me 163 and Meteor.

The trouble starts with the prop fighters. Which planes fit the category of "late-war high performance aircraft"?

Fw 190D-9? Ta 152H?
F8F Bearcat?
Spitfire Mk XIV? F.21?
Etc...

Believe it or not, there are "uber" bombers too.

Mosquito B.XVI?
B-29?
Ar 234?
Ju 88S-3?
Etc....

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Hristo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2000, 10:35:00 PM »

Hmm, I'd say number of planes produced/in combat would be better criteria.

D-9 should be available to everyone. He 162 should't.

Hey, that puts cannon Hog into uber category too

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Citabria · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2000, 11:18:00 PM »

what about the spitfire XIV?
would you want to see an arena full of those?

funked · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2000, 11:36:00 PM »

Of course Cit.

Spit XIV doesn't do anything the Me 109G-10 can't do, except turn a little better.

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HABICHT · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2000, 05:48:00 AM »

hmmm, i think:

spit14 is:
faster
climbs better
rolls better
turns better
better armed......

i forgot something?

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Hristo · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2000, 06:25:00 AM »

Actually, I believe 109K advantages over Spit XIV from WB are:

- better acceleration
- better climb at low and medium alt
- faster at all altitudes
- better dive acceleration and dive speed retention
- MW 50 with its longer boost time

The real question is, do we have equivalent of 109K in our G-10 ?

Nashwan · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2000, 06:30:00 AM »

If all uber planes are foing to be the same price, we will never get an RAF plane with an advantage. When the Spit XIV shows up it will have to deal with P47N, Ta152 and P51H, all planes which came out a year or more later. Even the Tempest is being labeled uber, even though it would fit in nicely with the current plane set.
How about some of the true RAF uber rides, like the Spiteful, Fury etc?

juzz · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2000, 06:34:00 AM »

Yes Hristo we do. Except maybe for a few mph less top end, because the K-4 had a retractable tailwheel and inner gear doors.

The Typhoon IB has 485 kills and has been killed 459 times.
The F4U-1C has 6765 kills and has been killed 3553 times.
The F4U-1D has 305 kills and has been killed 545 times.

The Typhoon has more low-level speed, a better 6 view and the same mighty guns as the F4U-1C, yet it appears to be flown about as much as the F4U-1D. Somehow I don't think the Tempest Mk V would make much of an impact on the gameplay balance in AH.

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juzz · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2000, 07:03:00 AM »

x2

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popeye · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2000, 07:38:00 AM »

We put all the planes in a hangar. Then we blindfold Torque, and send him in. The first plane he touches is labeled "uber".

popeye

Vermillion · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2000, 07:49:00 AM »

Careful Nashwan or you will shoot yourself in the foot.

There were about 700 Spit XIV's if I remember right. There were 1,500 P-47N's. And they both served quite a bit in combat. So I wouldnt' start to lump it into the "Super Uber" category just yet.

Guys I expect P-47N's, Spit XIV's, Yak-3's, La7's, and several others I've seen mentioned to fit into the "normal arena" category.

Personally I expect the "Super Uber's" to be Jets, and aircraft that never really saw combat. P-51H's, Bearcats, TigerCats, Ta-152H1's, La9's, Yak-3P's, FG-2 SuperCorsairs, and such as that.

But we gotta wait and see. It will certainly prove interesting either way.

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**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

LLv34 Nattulv · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2000, 08:29:00 AM »

Agree with Vermillion.
Spitfire XIV, FW190D-9 and Tempest V along with P47N, Yak-3 and La-7 would be equlising themselfs if they are introduced more or less simultanusly to the "regular" planset.
Since the MA isn't historically Alled vs Axis all those above would make not so much differnace if introduced at least in pairs.

PS
D-9 production was 1805.(according to Rodeike)
Ta-152 even "produced" an ace,Josef Keil, 5 kills in Ta-152. DS

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ibreh · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2000, 09:03:00 AM »

simply introduce a RPS, and all this "uber" talk is gone

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Vermillion · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2000, 09:54:00 AM »

Yeah but alot of people really hate the concept of a RPS, and even though I use to support it, I am starting to see their point.

To each his own I guess.

FYI At one point, HT stated that he wasn't going to add a RPS to AH, but that was a long time ago.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

Nashwan · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2000, 10:27:00 AM »

I'm usually good at shooting myself in the foot, but:
Spit XIV 997 built, first flew Aug43, entered service Jan44
P47N, 1800 built, entered service when, Spring 45? Sounds like an end of war plane to me, and later than everything we currently have apart from the F4U-1c.
Of course in pure numbers the US planes will almost always win, but I think the in service date is more important. The Spit XIV saw a lot of use over Europe in 44 and 45, how much action did the 47N actually see?