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Offline Kazaa

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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #165 on: February 15, 2010, 01:58:09 PM »
True, true.

I should have said "when engaged, never give the bandit you're 6". Perfectly acceptable to do otherwise when extending and luring.



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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #166 on: February 15, 2010, 02:00:01 PM »
Vinkmen,

It's very easy for me to make a snap shot at a target under the circumstances you stated above. I will lag pursuit the bandit and rapidly, but briefly, pull lead for the shot before returning back to lag pursuit.


Turning flat at D800 to avoid the shot isn't a good idea, especially with rudder input! You're just opening up the profile of your plane and slowing yourself down with that giant WW2 airbrake. You should try to turn much sooner (1.5K), never give the bandit your 6, period! When you do turn, I would suggest beaming the target with your side profile to create as little profile just before he takes the shot. You would be surprised how many players have trouble shooting a side profile target alone, add vertical input (up or down) and you will make it extremely hard for the enemy to wax you.

Here are a few films showing the above, please note the vertical seperation, it's key to performing a quick reversal.

http://rapidshare.com/files/351026067/1olo_kill.ahf.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/351026873/Yak9u_Kill.ahf

Download them asap, they get deleted after a short while.


Re-reading my post I wasn't clear. I olny draw the bandit in to 800 before turning when I've already let him inside of 1500 on my six because I'm distracted, or didn't see him etc. It's the desperation move. But either way I will watch the films when I get home and try to learn something. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

I realize that the flat turn presents a much larget surface area to hit, but my recollection is that 9 out of ten times, I'm getting elevators/rudder/vert-stabilizer shot off. Seems like they are barely cathcing the tail of my airplane with a few rounds. Mostly seems like canon planes, like 109, Typh, Nik, p-38.  I do it because when I'm trying to BnZ someone, and they break hard I always miss. The ones the try to roll, barrel roll, or go up, I kill pretty easy.

I need a holw in the floor so I can see the bandit during the deflection shot.  ;)

Kazaa, do you ever shoot at a bandit lost out of view below the nose? or are you firing where you anticipate he's turning too, while you can still see him?
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #167 on: February 15, 2010, 02:03:24 PM »
Seems like you're flying or shot is letting you down some-what.

A Split S is always a good move to do. You can't turn offensive with it against a BnZer, but it's a lot harder for him to hit you. :D



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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #168 on: February 15, 2010, 03:07:55 PM »
Seems like you're flying or shot is letting you down some-what.

A Split S is always a good move to do. You can't turn offensive with it against a BnZer, but it's a lot harder for him to hit you. :D

if you are ever up for it, and feel like dueling, I would like to go a few rounds with ya, peeps keep saying you are "uber"  :D

I want to find out for myself,   I can pretty much say you will win  ( cuz I cant hit a barn if I am INSIDE the friggin thing) I just want to test my self against the one many say is "uberist" for some reason I have a feeling they will be damn good fights.

Have we ever even fought yet? I cant recall.


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True, true.

I should have said "when engaged, never give the bandit you're 6". Perfectly acceptable to do otherwise when extending and luring.



I will give a con I am engaged with my 6, if I see he is playing the E game.
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #169 on: February 15, 2010, 03:17:00 PM »
Vinkman I'm not real good at articulating these things but I'll give it a try.  If I'm closing on your 6 and you wait until I'm 400 back and pull into a hard turn that I know I can't match I will pull into you as hard as I can and fire while you're under my nose.  It's a bit of a crap shoot but you know the guy is there and it's just a matter of getting your timing down and a bit of luck.

If you break earlier I will start reacting the instant I see you rolling out, I will roll the same direction but not to the same degree you do and rather than pull flat and put you under my nose I will go into a very shallow dive allowing me to keep vis on you then at the last moment use roll to adjust as needed back into you and pull up giving me a crossing shot.  It's like what tongs was saying, It's a simple matter of anticipating where the target will be and setting yourself up with a trajectory that will intercept it.

Grizz has a thread in the Training forum with tips on aiming the 30mm, check it out you might find some useful info in there.
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #170 on: February 15, 2010, 03:22:27 PM »
Grizz.

All my guns have the same convergence. Thanks to Bruv, I also fire just 2 at a time which I find to be much more efficient.

Yep, you're right that's the best way to do it.  <Tucks jet secretz into back pocket>  :D

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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #171 on: February 15, 2010, 03:29:16 PM »
Yep, you're right that's the best way to do it.  <Tucks jet secretz into back pocket>  :D

LOL I setup my guns the same way you go Grizz.

I have played with 2 diff. converg. settings.

Mind telling me what yours are?
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #172 on: February 15, 2010, 03:46:47 PM »
I know what you mean. I've been killed on snap shots where I scratch my head. High speed bandit is closing on my six. When the bandit is about 800yrds, I pull a hard right (or left) hand turn at just about the black out limit.

This is what everybody does and is the easiest jet shot to connect on.  If we ever meet, I'll draw up little airplane picture diagramz on a napkin to show you.

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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #173 on: February 17, 2010, 08:06:00 AM »
if you are ever up for it, and feel like dueling, I would like to go a few rounds with ya, peeps keep saying you are "uber"  :D

I want to find out for myself,   I can pretty much say you will win  ( cuz I cant hit a barn if I am INSIDE the friggin thing) I just want to test my self against the one many say is "uberist" for some reason I have a feeling they will be damn good fights.

Have we ever even fought yet? I cant recall.


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I will give a con I am engaged with my 6, if I see he is playing the E game.

I'll be on hiatus 'till the next release. Maybe we can set something up when I'm more active.

I'm sure Grizz can teach you everything I could and more 'till then.



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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #174 on: February 17, 2010, 09:11:30 AM »
Grizz, I've increased my lead which has helped considerably. Now if I could just figure out how to not shoot too high/low in relation to my lead or in fine tuning my aircraft to get the nose in just the right spot.

Thats also where you seem to excel in. Not just the lead but in the plane (not aircraft but direction) in which you fire.

Rudder and roll often isnt enough.Throttlework helps. How much fine tuning do you do with the trim when lining up on an opponent? Or dont you mess with trim when your about to fire? (I currently dont play witht the trim while engaged)
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2010, 10:28:11 AM »
Grizz, I've increased my lead which has helped considerably. Now if I could just figure out how to not shoot too high/low in relation to my lead or in fine tuning my aircraft to get the nose in just the right spot.

Thats also where you seem to excel in. Not just the lead but in the plane (not aircraft but direction) in which you fire.

Rudder and roll often isnt enough.Throttlework helps. How much fine tuning do you do with the trim when lining up on an opponent? Or dont you mess with trim when your about to fire? (I currently dont play witht the trim while engaged)

No reason to touch trim.  Over lead to give yourself an extra second or two to line it up, then fire.

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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #176 on: February 17, 2010, 01:29:01 PM »
I'll be on hiatus 'till the next release. Maybe we can set something up when I'm more active.

I'm sure Grizz can teach you everything I could and more 'till then.


I guess you miss understood what I typed.....Not looking for "instruction" :D

looking for someone to put up a good fight, and I just want to see how "uber" you are.

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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #177 on: February 17, 2010, 01:30:31 PM »
Perhaps that is his way of saying he is scared of you sir.............  :confused:

I guess you miss understood what I typed.....Not looking for "instruction" :D

looking for someone to put up a good fight, and I just want to see how "uber" you are.
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Re: Done for the tour
« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2010, 03:46:38 PM »
Seems like you're flying or shot is letting you down some-what.

A Split S is always a good move to do. You can't turn offensive with it against a BnZer, but it's a lot harder for him to hit you. :D

Kazaa I've been trying to down load those film files but it keeps telling me the 'servers are too busy now, come back later' OR join up for 7 quid. So I haven't watched them yet. I'll keep trying.  :salute
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