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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2010, 10:29:49 PM »
It's ironic that I'm reading "The Innocent Man" by John Grisham right now...the story is enough to make you angry the whole time.  Of course this is the exception, but it outlines clearly why knee-jerk capital punishment is a disservice to justice.


Its not a disservice if there is evidence AND witnesses that convict him of the murder.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2010, 10:58:17 PM »
yeager I never said texas had executed an innocent man.  but they have lots of people that were sentenced to death that had their convictions overturned  because they were innocent. which makes you think what if, just one of those guys that got executed was actually innocent.  as for the guilty ones, let them burn.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2010, 11:28:48 PM »
Rereading the original post, it seems the thread has really gone off topic.  This is a very rare instance where a death row inmaye actually never saw the execution date by expiring of natural old age complications.  The result is a man had died and whether he was guilty or innocent only the deceased knows for sure and the rest of us has to accept the findings of the court.

I'm personally glad that we live in a country where the laws stipulate a person is innocent until proven guilty.  Most likely the man was found guilty from some videotape of the last criminal offense with the death of the clerk.  This is purely a guess since I've no knowledge of the court proceedings. 

Simply, he beat the system. 
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2010, 12:25:47 AM »
yeager I never said Texas had executed an innocent man. but they have lots of people that were sentenced to death that had their convictions overturned because they were innocent. which makes you think what if, just one of those guys that got executed was actually innocent.  as for the guilty ones, let them burn.

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Violent murderous child killers, killer rapists and other such abhorrent deviant human beings....... accuse them, put them on trial, and when found guilty beyond any reasonable doubt (and mercy is NOT appropriate), euthanize them in a manner that is not cruel or unusual.  Just get rid of them and do it quickly.
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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2010, 05:03:16 AM »
There have been several executions of people that proved innocent later in the USA.
BTW, why is it so expensive keeping them locked in? Couldn't they work for their food???  :devil
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2010, 06:14:44 AM »
Couple of things to consider.

First, it's not so much the cost of warehousing an inmate. It's the cost of trying the suspect.

Second, I'm pretty sure no state allows for official review of a post execution conviction.

There's some pretty good data out there that suggests as many as 70% of all criminal convictions nationwide are flawed. Most are simply matters of procedure but just about all are about money. That's why many like DuPont or Simpson may be found guilty but never see a needle.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2010, 07:48:38 AM »
There have been several executions of people that proved innocent later in the USA.
BTW, why is it so expensive keeping them locked in? Couldn't they work for their food???  :devil

thanks to lawyers, no, they often don't have to.


personally, i think that they should be out doing the jobs that supposedly no one wants to do.


some of the "non-violent" prisoners here in new jersey often get sent out on road crews to pick up trash along the highways.......but they don't get sent out when it's too hot or too clod.......
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2010, 09:07:28 AM »
I'm still persuaded by Bentham that for a punishment to be just, it must remissible.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2010, 10:16:42 AM »
Well, our justice system isnt perfect by any stretch. But, as far as the death sentence goes.. Thats a pretty big conviction. They had better be damned sure, without any doubt that he/she is guilty.

Correct me if im wrong here, but from what ive read lethal injection is pretty humane. Especially compared to some violent murder or rape. Isnt lethal injection carried out with a cocktail of three or four different drugs?

Something like the first being some sort of "pain" relief drug, so on and whatnot. With the last being the drug that actually stops the heart? I could be totally wrong here, I havent read anything about this in awhile.

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2010, 10:56:36 AM »
There have been several executions of people that proved innocent later in the USA.
who are these several people?  Give names? dates of death? places of death?   
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« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2010, 11:06:47 AM »
Procedure in U.S. executions
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Executions by the federal government are carried out at the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Complex. The picture is of a gurney on which prisoners rest during an execution by lethal injection.The condemned criminal offender is strapped onto a gurney; two intravenous cannulae ("IVs") are inserted, one in each arm. Only one is necessary to carry out the execution; the other is reserved as a backup in the event the primary line fails. A line leading from the IV Line in an adjacent room is attached and secured to the prisoner's IV, and secured so the line does not snap during the injections.

The arm of the offender is swabbed with alcohol before the cannula is inserted.[9] The needles and equipment used are also sterilized. There have been questions about why these precautions against infection are performed despite the purpose of the injection being death. There are several explanations: cannulae are sterilized during manufacture, so using sterile ones is routine medical procedure. Secondly, there is a chance that the prisoner could receive a stay of execution after the cannulae have been inserted, as happened in the case of James Autry in October 1983 (he was eventually executed on March 14, 1984). Finally, it would be a hazard to prison personnel to use unsterilized equipment.

Following connection of the lines, saline drips are started in both arms. This too is standard medical procedure: it must be ascertained that the connections are clear, ensuring that the chemicals do not mix in the IV lines and occlude the needle, preventing the drugs from reaching the inmate. A heart monitor is attached so that prison officials can monitor when death has occurred.

The intravenous injection is usually a sequence of drugs given in a set sequence, designed to first induce unconsciousness followed by death through paralysis of respiratory muscles and/or by cardiac arrest through depolarization of cardiac muscle cells. The execution of the condemned in most states involves three separate injections (in sequential order):

Sodium thiopental: ultra-short action barbiturate, an anaesthetic agent capable of rendering the prisoner unconscious in a few seconds.
Pancuronium: non-depolarizing muscle relaxant, causes complete, fast and sustained paralysis of the skeletal striated muscles, including the diaphragm and the rest of the respiratory muscles; this would eventually cause death by asphyxiation.
Potassium chloride: stops the heart, and thus causes death by cardiac arrest.
The drugs are not mixed externally as that can cause them to precipitate. Also, a sequential injection is key to achieve the desired effects in the appropriate order: administration of the barbiturate is essential to minimize physical distress during the process; the infusion of the muscle relaxant induces complete paralysis but not unconsciousness, and the injection of a highly-concentrated solution of potassium chloride can cause severe pain in the site of the IV line as well as along the punctured arm.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2010, 12:14:05 PM »
Wrong.

Actually, that statement you disagreed with has been the only piece of legitimate wisdom yet offered within this thread. 100% certainties simply do not exist, ever, in any situation.

There's a theoretical probability that your molecules will all line up perfectly, allowing you to walk through a brick wall...

Or, if you want really far-fetched, there's a cosmic chance, however microscopic, that one day, the neurons in your brain will actually produce a coherent, well-constructed argument.

Anything is possible.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2010, 02:41:50 PM »
who are these several people?  Give names? dates of death? places of death?   
According to the innocence project 17 people who have been executed in the United States have had their convictions overturned by DNA evidence.
http://innocenceproject.org/
I imagine if you wanted to find the individual cases you could google it.


The idea that you can routinely convict people with enough certainty to end their lives is kind of disturbing to me... however I'm not against capital punishment, I certainly think it should be used in extreme cases of mass murder rape etc....
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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2010, 03:20:44 PM »
According to the innocence project 17 people who have been executed in the United States have had their convictions overturned by DNA evidence.

I certainly think it should be used in extreme cases of mass murder rape etc....

Where are the 17 families suing those states for wrongful death?

Murder is extreme.  The punishment must fit the crime.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2010, 06:38:47 PM »
Procedure in U.S. executions
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Penguin the heading on that wikipedia page is more or less telling you that the information shouldn't be quoted.  Is there only one citation for that whole passage?
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