P38 Gear Extension Speed

[Traveler]

LOL seems like you are picking nits now.  slow to 175 and hit the gear lever.  turn base at 150.  Turn final at 150 reducing to 130.  Over the fence at 110 full flaps.

Tell ya what.  Go fly some landings off line by the book.  Be slowing to 175 on downwind towards 150 on base and hit your dear button.  Bottom line is the gear is out and you are slowing to land at 150.

Next thing you know you'll be asking for random engine failures and freezing cockpits in the name of realisim.

No, I'm asking for what AH advertisied Accurate aircraft modeling

[Soulyss]

N/M...

[Traveler]

Since when can't you deploy your gear at 175?

You can't extend the gear without causing stress on the gear.  You should be able to extend the gear and not hear the stress noise. 

The gear was designed to be extended at 175 MPH and not cause stress on the gear.

[Soulyss]

You can't extend the gear without causing stress on the gear.  You should be able to extend the gear and not hear the stress noise. 

The gear was designed to be extended at 175 MPH and not cause stress on the gear.

Again I just ran a simple test online in the TA, took off in a P-38J, leveled flight speed at 175mph and extended the gear.  I flew like that for 10 minutes without damaging the gear, I could have turned around and landed the plane. 

[Traveler]

Again I just ran a simple test online in the TA, took off in a P-38J, leveled flight speed at 175mph and extended the gear.  I flew like that for 10 minutes without damaging the gear, I could have turned around and landed the plane. 

So you flew around for 10 minutes listing to the sounds of stress because you extended your gear 175 instead of the 150.  My point is that you should not hear the sounds of stress on the aircraft.  That the gear was designed to be extended at 175mph.  That the model is not accurate.  My wish is that the model aircraft used in the air combat sim be accurate.  I'm not asking for something that is not accurate and inline with what Hitech creations says it offers.

[Soulyss]

So you're really arguing about a sound?  The game model allows you to deploy, and fly around at the speeds listed in the manual, the gear are not damaged by being deployed at 175mph.

[AWwrgwy]

The "stress" sound is there to replace the buffet you do not feel due to the fact that you are sitting in a chair in your house.  Like the stall sound.

Point is rather moot anyhow as you obviously want to lower your gear at higher speed as a speed brake and not what it was historically used for, landing.


wrongway

[Traveler]

The "stress" sound is there to replace the buffet you do not feel due to the fact that you are sitting in a chair in your house.  Like the stall sound.

Point is rather moot anyhow as you obviously want to lower your gear at higher speed as a speed brake and not what it was historically used for, landing.


wrongway

Thank you for your contribution.  You have added a new dimension which may resolve my question.  Your saying that the noise heard when the gear is lowered at 175MPH is not related to stress.  Why isn’t that noise heard when the gear is lowered at 150MPH.

You assumption that I want to lower my gear at a higher speed to use it as a speed break is wrong. I am not asking to be able to extend the gear at speeds above 175MPH.   I want to lower the Gear at 175MPH as prescribed in the USAAF Pilot Manual for the P38 as the recommended speed at which to lower the gear.

[1Boner]

If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat.  If in  a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?

If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?  

 Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page

Aces High Game Features
 
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
•   Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
•   Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
•   Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
•   Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
•   Create historical skins for your plane.
•   Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
•   Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
•   Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
•   Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
•   In game voice support.
•   The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
•   Full, true 3D cockpits.
•   Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
•   In-game secure account management.
•   Auto-update in the game for all updates.
•   Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
•   Free offline practice and missions.
•   Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
   

The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”

That’s just not true.  If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
 

Wow.

You've been playing this game since 2004??

What tripped your trigger??

[Traveler]

So you're really arguing about a sound?  The game model allows you to deploy, and fly around at the speeds listed in the manual, the gear are not damaged by being deployed at 175mph.

If you look at the mappings for that sound it's "STRESS"  and stress was always defined to me as something bad for the aircraft.  My point has always been that you should be able to extend the gear and not cause stress to the aircarft.  If you extend the gear above 150, you receive that stress sound.

[Traveler]

Wow.

You've been playing this game since 2004??

What tripped your trigger??

Do you have something constructive to add to the discussion or do you just limit yourself to personal attacks?

[FLS]

HTC advertises an accurate flight model. You drop "flight" and complain that the A/C model isn't exactly like a real A/C. You seem to be on a mission to find anything at all that you can complain about. Cite a reference to a p-38 pilot dropping his gear in a dogfight.

[1Boner]

Do you have something constructive to add to the discussion or do you just limit yourself to personal attacks?

You still didn't answer the question?

Apparently you started playing this "game" in 2004.

Are you telling me you JUST started noticing these minute idiosyncrasies?

You now have at least 3 recent posts asking for "historical accuracy".

What made you wait alllllllllll these many years to bring up these trivial matters?

Do I have anything constructive to add to this "discussion"??

Absolutely not! You're doing great all by yourself.

I couldn't do any better if I tried.

[dkff49]

If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat.  If in  a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?

If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?  

 Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page

Aces High Game Features
 
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
•   Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
•   Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
•   Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
•   Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
•   Create historical skins for your plane.
•   Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
•   Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
•   Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
•   Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
•   In game voice support.
•   The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
•   Full, true 3D cockpits.
•   Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
•   In-game secure account management.
•   Auto-update in the game for all updates.
•   Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
•   Free offline practice and missions.
•   Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
   

The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”

That’s just not true.  If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
 

So you flew around for 10 minutes listing to the sounds of stress because you extended your gear 175 instead of the 150.  My point is that you should not hear the sounds of stress on the aircraft.  That the gear was designed to be extended at 175mph.  That the model is not accurate.  My wish is that the model aircraft used in the air combat sim be accurate.  I'm not asking for something that is not accurate and inline with what Hitech creations says it offers.

Just wondering here are you concerned about flight modeling or flight sounds because it sounds like the FM is fine. In AH there is no stress created when that sound is present so no problem now right.

[Murdr]

All the reference speeds in pilot flight manuals of WWII were about indicated air speed.

It bears noting that IAS in a flight manual and IAS in the game may be different, because the AH IAS is always calibrated.  Whereas if you needed CAS in the real plane, you would need to refer to the airspeed and altimeter correction table.