The current state of Aces High...

[Reschke]

LMAO. This is about as rediculous as I've seen typed here recently. Oh no!!!  The children used slang!! As if they are the first generation to use slang.....  

What I do in my house with my 13 year old works for him and us and the teams we are a part of. Guess what it doesn't get used anymore; for the record I never said slang was unacceptable just that one stupid phrase. One phrase that is as F*^&^&@ stupid as "pwned" isn't going to hurt him to use a REAL word in place of it. Also when dealing with friends, family, opponents in sports it shows up as you show respect instead of being a jack arse and guess what things like that start to disappear.

[shiv]

So next time you kill someone fortygajillion times or get HOed, and start to grief on 200 or by PM; think about teaching them what you know and what you deem to be good AH-sportsmanship.  I'm sure you will see the "quality" of the enemy pee-lots go up over time.

You're assuming that people want to get better at the ACM side, as opposed to the getting kills side.  I don't know if that's true.

A lot of players seem perfectly happy playing ho & go in Typhies or 190s (or whatever, just so long as you can't get caught and be forced to fight 1v1) or just ganging in general.  At almost anytime you can find a big red dar bar over a friendly base with a small green one.  And at the next red base another full red dar bar is on the way.  What is the second wave looking for you think?  Granted, some of them are just trying to capture the field but the majority of them are there because they think they'll find some easy kills, and their only real danger will be if their teammates beat them to those kills.  For those guys AH is about kills, not learning how to get better at the ACM side.

I think that's as true now as it was back in AW, and back in tour 49-59 or so when I last played.  I also think it's how most people, including me, start out in the game.

I've actually gotten some good advice.  I pm'ed Lute after a fight to ask where I had gone wrong, and he told me "stop going ho."  It was a little confusing at first 'cos I wasn't ho-ing.  But what I was doing was dropping flaps and turning back onto his nose when he got behind me.  Once I figured out what he meant and stopped using that as option it really helped.  And a few other guys have been really helpful.

[mechanic]

Look at Grizz.  Go back a few years and Grizz was "decent" but not a world beater.  (no offense Grizz)  Ask Grizz just how many 1,000's of duels he has done this past few years to hone his skills.  Grizz is now one of the best pilots in the game.  (top 3 easily)  He GOT that way by logging the hours/days/weeks/months practicing and putting forth the effort to improve.

and he got that way by having friendly duelers share thoughts and tactics with him after they fought him in the DA 

 

[guncrasher]

I think a better question would be...


Look at Grizz.  Go back a few years and Grizz was "decent" but not a world beater.  (no offense Grizz)  Ask Grizz just how many 1,000's of duels he has done this past few years to hone his skills.  Grizz is now one of the best pilots in the game.  (top 3 easily)  He GOT that way by logging the hours/days/weeks/months practicing and putting forth the effort to improve.

flying around in a 262 or the other runner planes he flies picking people off doesnt make a great player.  I've seen him fite and he's better than me, but there are dozens of other guys that dont make the top that are way better players.  but he pays his monthly dues and he flies however he likes the game,  I am cool with that.

I find it funny when some guys will zoom in from 20k and I will turn around go head on then they will complain because they die.  they seem to forget that it is actually a great acm to face an opponent that has more e/alt than you rather than to show him/her your six or side, unless of course that plane has more firepower than you (mossies, 110's etc.).  there are other ways to avoid a higher altitude plane, but its the easiest way to avoid being bnz'd a second time.  anybody that gets ho'd has nobody but himself to blame.  dont want to get ho'd don't go straight at another plane and if you do and die then its you who needs to learn some acm 


semp

[WMLute]

flying around in a 262 or the other runner planes he flies picking people off doesnt make a great player.  I've seen him fite and he's better than me, but there are dozens of other guys that dont make the top that are way better players.

semp

You obviously have never dueled Grizz.

Name 3 player that can beat him in a duel.

Heck... name 2.

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You obviously have never dueled Grizz.

Name 3 player that can beat him in a duel.

Heck... name 2.

I can name more then 2....but its pointless, you are right Grizz is awesome but like every one he has his faults and is beatable, he will tell you that himself.
and yes I have dueled him he is a great fight, pisses me off his aim is so damn good

[TequilaChaser]

flying around in a 262 or the other runner planes he flies picking people off doesnt make a great player.  I've seen him fite and he's better than me, but there are dozens of other guys that dont make the top that are way better players.

semp

I am willing to help you semp(guncrasher) learn BFM, if you want it

have you seen Grizz down on the deck in a 262 with 10 cons swarming all around him and he is actually flying the 262 slower than 240 IAS, and smacking them all down ..or maybe he is in a 109K4 doing the same thing merely 2K off the deck with 8/10/15 Red Icons all around him and he is cleaning them out.then flys off and lands

now, what was you saying he does?  name me a dozen players who can fly "just as good with that kind of SA" as him..they don't have to be better.just equal....can you name them?

you must be sore , Grizz must have shot you down a few times........to make a post like that.....

[The Fugitive]

flying around in a 262 or the other runner planes he flies picking people off doesnt make a great player.  I've seen him fite and he's better than me, but there are dozens of other guys that dont make the top that are way better players.  but he pays his monthly dues and he flies however he likes the game,  I am cool with that.

I find it funny when some guys will zoom in from 20k and I will turn around go head on then they will complain because they die.  they seem to forget that it is actually a great acm to face an opponent that has more e/alt than you rather than to show him/her your six or side, unless of course that plane has more firepower than you (mossies, 110's etc.).  there are other ways to avoid a higher altitude plane, but its the easiest way to avoid being bnz'd a second time.  anybody that gets ho'd has nobody but himself to blame.  dont want to get ho'd don't go straight at another plane and if you do and die then its you who needs to learn some acm  


semp

I think you miss understood, he didn't say top 3 in score, he said top 3 as a cartoon fighter pilot. Grizz in any plane against most people is going to win a lot more than he will lose.

...as to the real topic here, Telling someone what they did wrong WITH OUT them asking is only going to have come across as sounding arrogant and most people will take it that way. However if they ask.... oh lord I wish they would ask! It would be a great help to most players. The problem leads us to Lutes posts. Todays player is to much into getting the kill, base, or win the war ANYWAY they can to worry about using tactics, strategy, or learning a skill. The Quake/COD mentality is how most players approach a game, any game.

Lusche, my comment in the other thread HERE was about a time almost 10 years ago. Hoers were ridiculed and shown the error of their ways, Squads would fight squads, NOE's were run maybe one or two a night. Oh and after a team won a base they DEFENDED IT! If they didn't it was won back in minutes. Base captures lasted all night.They don't do things this way any more because it slows the process of racking up kills as fast as they can, stealing bases as fast as they can, wining the war as fast as they can.

We only had small maps back then and they had to reset a new map every Tuesday because most of the time the war wasn't won for the whole week  

[TequilaChaser]

I might be thinking back more like 6-8 years not 4-5.  (man i'm getting old)

Back when squads would seek each other out and have massive battles that lasted hours.

All I know is when my squad asks me "where next" I look for the largest nme dar bar and we fight there.

The Damned vs the CAF

The Damned vs the 412th Bronco Mustangs

The Damned s the JB's ( JB42, JB73, JB11, JB etc etc etc )

The Damned vs the AK's

the Damned vs ( others squads to many to count, they all were good fun )

they throw up their mission or fighter sweep...we would throw up ours...hours & hours of fun..and both sides accomplished their goals of either taking the base or defending it depending on who wore the other squad down each night....... win some lose some, awesome fun for everyone..... regardless if ya won or lose..the action was the excitement......  nobody flew around in mega numbers, nobody avoided the confrontation .it was all "in your face" stop me if you can........

[Tom5572]

About two and a half years ago I was invited into the Widowmakers.  Previous to this I had asked for some help but it was few and far between.  The first night I flew with Lute and Pac they took me into the SEA (lute was sill a CM then) where they spent the next few hours teaching more than I had learned in the previous six months.
     Since then we have executed three man base captures in a full arena, two man six sector sneaks, well executed combined arms attacks and a variety of perk farming type fighter sweeps.  I have fought and learned from Kermit, Pawz, ZENZEN, Sunsfan and countless others I have dueled with.  The time I spent with these individuals have improved my level of game play immensely along with my understanding and enjoyment.
     I read just about all I could on ACM from Robert Shaw to In Pursuit.
     One of the best times I have had in a awhile was defending some sea front property from DMGOD and EzRhino, fighting Rhino with him in a Pony and me in a D40 then DMGOD in mossie me still in the D40.  I almost had DMGOD except the ground was just too durn close <S> Gents was a heck of a lot of fun.  Unfortunately the bish won the war and the fight was over.
     There are a lot of aspects of current game play that I could do without, but for the most part, This is the best game I have encountered, it is never the same twice.  It is the newness of every situation which keeps me coming back for more.  If only I could get my wife to understand this (Wife ack is deadly accurate lately).
    

[mbailey]

What I do in my house with my 13 year old works for him and us and the teams we are a part of. Guess what it doesn't get used anymore; for the record I never said slang was unacceptable just that one stupid phrase. One phrase that is as F*^&^&@ stupid as "pwned" isn't going to hurt him to use a REAL word in place of it. Also when dealing with friends, family, opponents in sports it shows up as you show respect instead of being a jack arse and guess what things like that start to disappear.

QFT  

[mechanic]

What I do in my house with my 13 year old works for him and us and the teams we are a part of. Guess what it doesn't get used anymore; for the record I never said slang was unacceptable just that one stupid phrase. One phrase that is as F*^&^&@ stupid as "pwned" isn't going to hurt him to use a REAL word in place of it. Also when dealing with friends, family, opponents in sports it shows up as you show respect instead of being a jack arse and guess what things like that start to disappear.

+1

[CAP1]

As a corollary, and not wanting to hi-jack, to A8Tools topic: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283972.0.html ; which I intend as a subjective critique, not a criticism, after an experience in EW last night.

I had another AH player and his squaddies, ones that I have never encountered before, start-in on 200 about me HOing him and one of his squaddies, with additional comment about my lack of skill.  This came after he and his squaddies had shot me down 2 or 3 times.  He was a good stick and his squads wingman tactics were excellent.

The point of this "rant" is that many posters in the other thread said (along the lines of) "yeah, it used to be less HOing, more about the fight, less about the war"  and so-forth.  My questions to those posters are:  How many times have you asked another player if he would like to learn good ACM?  I mean actually saying "hey player 'x' let me switch sides (or you switch) and I'll show you some tactics."  In general, what I see and get on 200 is "u have no skillz", "go2 the TA", and "LMAO, I pwnd you seventy-leven times!!!!"  NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, has any player offered to teach me to fight the fight the way they would like the fights to be like they were in their memories of the old days of AH.

So next time you kill someone fortygajillion times or get HOed, and start to grief on 200 or by PM; think about teaching them what you know and what you deem to be good AH-sportsmanship.  I'm sure you will see the "quality" of the enemy pee-lots go up over time.


<checking the safety sticker on my flame-retardent undies now> 

agreed. i got lucky though, and generally recieve help fairly often...sometimes without asking.........and you all know who you are. and thanks!!

[Banshee7]

I think the current state of Aces High is great.  I have no complaints.  The constant bantering, whining, griefing, etc... usually found on 200 is nothing compared to the stuff you hear in the hallways at your local high school.  Trust me, I attend one every weekday.  Besides, sometimes it is fun to join in on the bantering. 

[bj229r]

Most any night, 80% the players are in 3-4 blobs, all desperately trying to avoid the OTHER blobs, lest pesky air combat happen. Locating the other 20% is where the fun is