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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2010, 03:39:47 PM »
What we DO need is the Spit LF XII :O

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2010, 04:01:21 PM »
What we DO need is the Spit LF XII :O

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2010, 11:48:00 PM »
Look dan another Mk XII dweeb. :aok

Guess we'll convert em one at a time. We need to get him better quality Spit XII pictures though :)

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2010, 02:52:44 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

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In a continuation of the propaganda war, the British government claimed that the RAF had shot down 2,698 German planes. The actual figure was 1,100. The RAF lost 650 planes - not the 3,058 planes that the Luftwaffe claimed to have shot down - more than the entire RAF!


Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :

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In general, though, as Alfred Price noted in The Spitfire Story:

...the differences between the Spitfire and the Me 109 in performance and handling were only marginal, and in a combat they were almost always surmounted by tactical considerations: which side had seen the other first, had the advantage of sun, altitude, numbers, pilot ability, tactical situation, tactical co-ordination, amount of fuel remaining, etc

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2010, 02:59:50 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :


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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2010, 04:13:59 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2010, 05:11:48 PM »
What other variants saw action after the XIV? The Mk 21 did see some, just not score any air to air. Didn't that one carry a 4x20mm?

Only the F.21.
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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2010, 05:51:18 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :


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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2010, 08:30:36 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.
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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2010, 08:47:31 PM »
OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.
What do you think would have happened if the RAF had been equipped with Spitfire Mk XIVs, or even Spitfire Mk Vs, in 1940?  I'll bet you Spitfire Vs would do better than Mustang Is.
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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2010, 09:02:55 PM »
What do you think would have happened if the RAF had been equipped with Spitfire Mk XIVs, or even Spitfire Mk Vs, in 1940?  I'll bet you Spitfire Vs would do better than Mustang Is.

That reminds me of a statement by Col. Reade Tilley, an American Eagle Squadron pilot and defender of Malta in early '42. He was later (post-war) what would have happened if they had got P-47's instead of Spitfires  Malta, and he said they would have been slaughtered.
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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2010, 09:57:49 PM »
As an addendum to my prior answer, I would add that I would take Spitfire Mk XIVs over any American fighter or most other British fighters from 1944/45 for use as a Spitfire Mk I replacement in the Battle of Britain.  Climb rate, speed and firepower.  The Spitfire XIV brings it all.

I do think the Mosquito Mk VI/XIII, XIX or 30 would have been even better though.  Just think of the poor, helpless German bombers against a fighter with four cannon in the belly and too fast for a Bf109E-4 or E-7 to hope to catch.  Not to forget a fighter than seriously hurts the German's ability to gain protection by switching to night raids.
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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2010, 10:24:40 AM »
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As an addendum to my prior answer, I would add that I would take Spitfire Mk XIVs over any American fighter or most other British fighters from 1944/45 for use as a Spitfire Mk I replacement in the Battle of Britain.  Climb rate, speed and firepower.  The Spitfire XIV brings it all.

LOL, heck yea, I would also choose to fly a spit in Europe over American fighters. The American fighters had to go deep into enemy territory when the spit pilots stayed close to home, lol.

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2010, 12:18:22 PM »
Suggest you do some serious reading smoe.

The 2nd Tactical Air Force pilots flew within 10 minutes of the front lines in the NW Europe campaign. They flew 2-4 sorties per day, not just one. They destroyed 1454 e/a between June 1944 and May 1945, the Spitfire being their primary air superiority fighter...I guess spending all that time "close to home"? 

Enough to make you weep, ditto to that. "WW2 history brought to you by the movie Memphis Belle".  :rolleyes:

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Re: Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2010, 03:24:30 PM »
LOL, heck yea, I would also choose to fly a spit in Europe over American fighters. The American fighters had to go deep into enemy territory when the spit pilots stayed close to home, lol.
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