Un-perk the Spit xiv, or.....

[Noir]

What we DO need is the Spit LF XII

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Outruns a typhy on the deck.

now we are talking 

[Bronk]

What we DO need is the Spit LF XII

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Outruns a typhy on the deck.

Look dan another Mk XII dweeb.

[Guppy35]

Look dan another Mk XII dweeb.

Guess we'll convert em one at a time. We need to get him better quality Spit XII pictures though

prototype DP845 with F/L Clive Gosling at the controls, banks right.


Last production Spit XII MB882 EB-B with F/L Don Smith RAAF at the controls banks left.

[smoe]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

In a continuation of the propaganda war, the British government claimed that the RAF had shot down 2,698 German planes. The actual figure was 1,100. The RAF lost 650 planes - not the 3,058 planes that the Luftwaffe claimed to have shot down - more than the entire RAF!

Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :

In general, though, as Alfred Price noted in The Spitfire Story:

...the differences between the Spitfire and the Me 109 in performance and handling were only marginal, and in a combat they were almost always surmounted by tactical considerations: which side had seen the other first, had the advantage of sun, altitude, numbers, pilot ability, tactical situation, tactical co-ordination, amount of fuel remaining, etc

[Bruv119]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :

planes can be replaced, captured pilots cannot! 

ooohhhh aaaahhhhhh    * drools at the sexy spitfire pics!    this month will be a long one...

[Bronk]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

Yea and if frogs had wing they wouldn't bump their arse when they hop.  Tell me genius... how do you use a bird that isn't developed yet? Might as well have said "Hey if they used F-22s, WWII would have ended after the BoB.".

The hyperbole is strong in you smoe.

[Kev367th]

What other variants saw action after the XIV? The Mk 21 did see some, just not score any air to air. Didn't that one carry a 4x20mm?

Only the F.21.
Yup it did carry 4x20mm as standard, on a newly redesigned wing.

[Guppy35]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm :

Plus, the Spits had almost every tactical advantage (including British ground radar):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain :

It's enough to make almost make ya weep sometimes.

[Motherland]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

That kind of goes without saying, doesn't it?

I mean, if the Luftwaffe had Fw 190D-9's and HE 177's they'd do a whole lot better than they did with Bf 109E-4's...

If the IJNAF had F-35's...

[Karnak]

OK, so if the Spit was so superior why did the RAF in the Battle of Britian have such a low kill ratio? If late war planes like 51's & Typhoons were present during 1940 I bet they would have achieved upwords of 20, 30, or 40 to 1 kill ratios.

What do you think would have happened if the RAF had been equipped with Spitfire Mk XIVs, or even Spitfire Mk Vs, in 1940?  I'll bet you Spitfire Vs would do better than Mustang Is.

[Lusche]

What do you think would have happened if the RAF had been equipped with Spitfire Mk XIVs, or even Spitfire Mk Vs, in 1940?  I'll bet you Spitfire Vs would do better than Mustang Is.

That reminds me of a statement by Col. Reade Tilley, an American Eagle Squadron pilot and defender of Malta in early '42. He was later (post-war) what would have happened if they had got P-47's instead of Spitfires  Malta, and he said they would have been slaughtered.

[Karnak]

As an addendum to my prior answer, I would add that I would take Spitfire Mk XIVs over any American fighter or most other British fighters from 1944/45 for use as a Spitfire Mk I replacement in the Battle of Britain.  Climb rate, speed and firepower.  The Spitfire XIV brings it all.

I do think the Mosquito Mk VI/XIII, XIX or 30 would have been even better though.  Just think of the poor, helpless German bombers against a fighter with four cannon in the belly and too fast for a Bf109E-4 or E-7 to hope to catch.  Not to forget a fighter than seriously hurts the German's ability to gain protection by switching to night raids.

[smoe]

As an addendum to my prior answer, I would add that I would take Spitfire Mk XIVs over any American fighter or most other British fighters from 1944/45 for use as a Spitfire Mk I replacement in the Battle of Britain.  Climb rate, speed and firepower.  The Spitfire XIV brings it all.

LOL, heck yea, I would also choose to fly a spit in Europe over American fighters. The American fighters had to go deep into enemy territory when the spit pilots stayed close to home, lol.

[Squire]

Suggest you do some serious reading smoe.

The 2nd Tactical Air Force pilots flew within 10 minutes of the front lines in the NW Europe campaign. They flew 2-4 sorties per day, not just one. They destroyed 1454 e/a between June 1944 and May 1945, the Spitfire being their primary air superiority fighter...I guess spending all that time "close to home"? 

Enough to make you weep, ditto to that. "WW2 history brought to you by the movie Memphis Belle". 

[Bronk]

LOL, heck yea, I would also choose to fly a spit in Europe over American fighters. The American fighters had to go deep into enemy territory when the spit pilots stayed close to home, lol.

Try a book... preferably with small words.