If I liked Luftwaffe Aircraft

[Citabria]

you guys remember when the p38 came out?

funked neutered it real good for us  

thanks funked


oh that was an american plane too

[funked]

LOL I'm an equal opportunity amazinhunk.  

[Pongo]

Funked
I know you have the goods on these AC and an apparently great research library. I appreciate your clearifications. I am sure that Pyro has great numbers on these aircraft and both of you know a hell of a lot more about it then me.
But I feel that the game has a strong allied bias. Every time I put the nose down on my G10 I feel that certainly other counties planes must have had this accelerate to death problem...but no it was a specifically german problem. As I slowly drag my 190 to 20k behind the spits and p38s my squadies fly I wonder at the utility of such a pig of an Aircraft. When I see how its handling is crippled by its normal 4 cannon armement load I am amazed that the vast majority of FWs in use used that load out.
So Ya, I think that people in this game that want better representations of german planes are "whiners" and people that have a gripe about US planes are a "lobby". And HTC is in the lobby. In spite of your protests to the contrary and the excellent way you represnt your point of view...so are you.
 

[Jekyll]

 

oh that was an american plane too

Yeah, but it wasn't a Spitfire, was it?  

Oh, and Pongo... remember that the A8 version we have in AH is the 'Sturmbock' version, with extra armour and no MW50.

Don't think of it as a fighter, because it certainly wasn't .... it was a pure bomber interceptor - nothing more.

Frankly, I'm amazed that it does as well as it does in the AH arena.  Maybe that's why it was neutered in the modelling.  Imagine the A8 weighing 900lbs less, and with an extra 400hp at its command!

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[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Nashwan:
What exactly is a 109G6 AS model, and how is it different from the "normal" model?
(Not a trick or troll or anything, just want to know)

There was a fairly large variaty of engines that went into Bf109Gs. The early and typical 109G6 was equiped with a DB605. There were 700 or so 109g6s that had the DB605As engine. It was a normal 605 with a uprated supercharger for higher altitude.
MW50 and GM1 upgrades to the engine were also common, but not present in the G6 in the game apperantly.

[Pongo]

Jekyll
Is the A8 a sturm model? I really dont think it was intended to be one, but I am not sure. It certainly is not more robust then the other aircraft in the game. I just think that Pyro thinks the plane was a pig.

But if it was a bomber interceptor then it is unfortunate that its intended prey has been deliberatly increased in defensive fire and damage resistance. Mostly in response to the capabilities of the F4U-1c.

But like a person in an unhealthy relationship I love the plane. And I enjoy flying it. I just dont think that it gets a fair shake here.

[funked]

Pongo, you have left the realm of fact and entered the world of fantasy and conspiracy theories.  Good luck, I doubt you will find any satisfaction.

[Pongo]

Funked..
Dont try to hide your agenda and Ill give more weight to your concerns for my mental health.

[funked]

LOL hidden agenda!  Yes I am part of the evil underground anti-Luftwaffe conspiracy... MUAHAHAHA!

You have no idea how funny this is for me, because on AGW I have been accused of having a pro-Axis agenda on many occasions.

The problem is that people on both sides of the argument don't like to hear the facts.  They have a mental picture of how it "should be" and they reject any information that doesn't fit the picture.  I get a kick of finding and presenting such information.  

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[Pongo]

Well I have readily admited that I am primarily coming from the how "I imagined it" base. You seem to keep being suprised by that..But bud you are a Spit dweeb....
And MW50 in a Fw190A8 and 109G6 was not a fantasy.

[funked]

Ooooooooooh name calling!  The last resort of a loser.

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[Nashwan]

What was the performance impact of the G6AS? Before and after if possible. Speed and climb
would do nicely. Oh and when was it introduced?

[Jekyll]

Pongo, AFAIK the A8 we have in AH is the Sturm model, extra armour and no MW50.

Funked is well aware of that, in fact, HE brought it to my attention.

So we have a purely anti-buff A8 trying to do the air-superiority dance in Aces High.

Like I said, I continue to be amazed that it does as well in the stats .... must be some durn fine 190 pilots out there.  Imagine them in a MW50 A8 or (god-forbid) a D9!

[LLv34 Nattulv]

Nashwan:
The G/AS was very close to the G-10 performancewise according to Oleg Maddox's research. (IL-2 game producer)
So since the G-10 is allready in the game there is not much use to put the G/AS into the game also.

Historicly the G/AS fighters gave Luftwaffe a reasonable good high alt escortfigher to protect its "bomber-busters" in late 1943.
But it seems to have been quite rare til spring 1944 when the "Light" Gruppe of each Geschwader seems (according to OOB) to have been equipped with G/AS fighters.
Might have been due to production troubles of some kind that delayed its "mass" deployment.


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[Pongo]

I think it would be somewhat slower than a G10. But instead we end up with a G6 that is like a heavy G2. No MW50 and No GM1. No AS engine.