Whats wrong with these screenshots?

[JunkyII]

The FHs are down in ALL of them....except for 1 for explanation reasons.

     Lets start with the most recent screenshot, notice the FH are down. I personally had been flying at this furball for about 3 hours before this happened. It was obviously a furball not an attempt to take either base....towns full up.




     Next, we have a screenshot of a certain country attempting to take all of TT on ozkansas. Notice they dropped just the FHs at the airbase.




     The third picture shows that we actually may have a hope for furballs in the future. They drop the VH and the FH, but honestly the FH didn't have to go...notice the darbars they probably have a 2v1 advantage in numbers and probably have the alt as well(They did).




     Funny we have the same place a few hours earlier. One of the only fights on the map and only the FH went down. The side that dropped the FHs, have the numbers in this fight as well.




    OK now we get into the deep stuff .  The next three pictures are all taken at around the same time, between 3am-5am. The first picture shows the end result of a buff run against A134. Notice all hangars down, town wasn't at all.




    The second picture of this "situation" is of the other side of the map to give you an idea of the fights going on. I don't see much between the first picture and the second accept where the hangars are down.




    This final screeny was taken actually before the hangars went down because of what someone said on country channel about TT. Notice the DAR bars, I think its really only a matter of time before the rooks get overrun by Fighters judging by the DAR the knights are making.




     In the last 3 images you can see why someone might not like when the hangars go down. The fight was already

one sided, you cant disagree with that. Also that was the only fight on the map, this has been said many times by

a lot of different people, "when I log in I don't have time to take 15 minutes just getting to a fight". At 3-5 am in the

morning the DA is not always that populated and with TT taken by the rooks(lame) there aren't a lot of options if the

one fight going on is "toolshedded".



      Now, the reason I have created this thread is to get answers WHY dropping the FHs is so important. I have

heard maybe 2 reasons why you need to drop the FHs while trying to take a base. One was so that 1 guy in a LA7

cant get away from the cap and get your goon(My Response to that) It ain't the FHs that allowed that LA out of a

capped field, it was your fighter cover be mad at them don't take it out on the other team. The second I heard was

quite funny, it was so the furballers would stop furballing and start helping with base captures(My Response to

that) They aren't going to help you if you ruin their fun, they will actually probably switch sides and try to shoot

you down.




     Seeing that those are the only 2 reasons I have ever heard from the opposition, I think its safe to say that

Dropping the FHs is just the wrong answer if we are trying to create good gameplay for the entire community. I don't

have anything against base takers, just the way a lot of them do it. Base Captures 101- To take an  airfield the town

must be 100% down and 10 troops must make it to the map room and enter it to take the field. So in my mind this

tells me to first, get the town down. I know you cant just take the town down, your going to get shot at by

everything. I personally have a squad mate who I think may be the best shot in a whirbelwind in the game, Id rather

fight 10 262s in a D3A then to try and kill him with lancstukas...Id probably have a better chance with the jets.

Since I know how good some are in those monsters, I'm going to want to get the VH down first. The next Target of opportunity for me is

Radar....Why?...because the little red dots attract everyone and their sister, so Dar goes second if I don't want too

many people showing up for defense. Third is the most annoying thing in the game....ack. Everyone knows how mad

they get when they are flying by a field in a temp or 262 and 1 ping oil/rad leak....this makes ack third on my base

taking to-do list.



    Wow, there aren't any whirbs out, no ack shooting at me, maybe 4-5 planes around against me and my 8

buddies/countrymen........lets get the fight on I'm in a typhoon with 4 hispanos plenty of fuel and an alt advantage....I'm

going to get my name in lights, but not just 2 like the other guys I could get 5 and maybe a good amount of perks

so i can fly some ubber rides . This was my original thinking when I realized dropping the FH isn't a good

idea if you weigh the pros and cons. On one hand you get the base which may lead to a future 25 perks in each

category plus couple bomber perks for dropping them. On the other hand I can get 25+ perks in a 190F8(my main

pork ride) for 5+ easy kills on spixteen dweebs, then come back and possibly get even more right now. I know there

are people on here who have gone on the hot streaks before, I think I got like 80 perks in 4 runs at this base that

wasn't quite a vulchfest but might as well be one time.In both these cases, you technically win, but which sounds

better? Id have to go with the second.



    Even if perks, score, or base captures don't matter do you.....don't bring down other peoples time playing a game.

Also don't take the easy way out just to capture/get your perks. Personally I love the fight that goes with capturing

a base that is pretty well defended, the feeling of knowing you beat these guys back down to their field and started

vulching them.....that's a form of ownage in my book, on a squad+ size level. All the screenshots above are

instances where dropping the FH was not necessary, and them being down ruined peoples fights(publically stated

on 200/country). Before you hit a base with buffs please ask if its a furball or take, if its a furball....hit the town

there is more points there anyway and it has to come down to take the base.



If any base takers have any reasons for dropping FHs I would like to hear and discuss the topic with you.


 

[Delirium]

If any base takers have any reasons for dropping FHs I would like to hear and discuss the topic with you.

I'm not a base taker but I know why it is going on. The bombers guys want to be able to affect game play, it is that simple.

I had really hoped that the new strats would give them something to bomb, but there is little reason to go there. Get used to the FHs being down, it is going to happen more and more frequently.

[warhed]

I still can't figure out why there is even an option in this game to fully prevent Fighters from taking off.  How does that promote combat?

[The Fugitive]

WOW ! That's the longest and most convoluted "whine" I've ever seen !

While I agree with you and wish they would leave the FHs up it isn't going to happen. This is a major tactic of an ill trained squad/group. HTC has said that everything in this game is designed toward creating combat, and this INCLUDES base capture. Unfortunately too many players either don't take the time, or don't have the time to learn how to "fight" .... and by fight I mean in fighters, gv's and even bombers with tactics and planning.

So what we end up with is hordes of skill less players hiding behind each other and overwhelming targets with numbers instead of creating combat situations where skill is used to win the "fight".

Like everyone tells me here on the boards, "Get use to it, it's not going to change."  

[TW9]

its actually vh, ack, then town.. no point in working on the town if you already got a row of gv's otw to it. but good post anyways. I havent  spent much time in ma all this week. a big map for each arena has alot to do with that. As stated I don't have the time or the nerve to sit and wait in tower looking for something to sprout up and flying for 10-15mins if/when something does.

i really do not understand the concepts behind having large maps, with split arena's, and fields designed (tons of ack/big towns) for only a steam rolling horde to capture. Just seems to contradict itself.

Im pretty much content in paying just to fly wiht friends, play in events, and mess around the da once in awhile. The MA has been a big disappointment for me.

[Delirium]

How does that promote combat?

Aces High isn't about promoting the dogfight, it is about winning the war.

[bj229r]

I'm not a base taker but I know why it is going on. The bombers guys want to be able to affect game play, it is that simple.

I had really hoped that the new strats would give them something to bomb, but there is little reason to go there. Get used to the FHs being down, it is going to happen more and more frequently.

yup.

[JunkyII]

I'm not a base taker but I know why it is going on. The bombers guys want to be able to affect game play, it is that simple.

Well then we might need to discuss how bombers can rain down destruction in a way that doesnt negatively effect the gameplay of others. One thing I have seen not happen lately is just general porking of bases. In one of these screenshots(first one I think) Im in buffs heading to the field the furball was at to hit the ords and radar. A bomber has the luxury of not having to dive into harms way to destroy something, it can be at 7.5k above the field just out of ack range or at 25k where you will only find Chalenge higher. Me dropping those ords at the base helped save the base where the FHs were down, I had an affect on gameplay.


 

[warhed]

Aces High isn't about promoting the dogfight, it is about winning the war.

Oh no please whatever you do, don't mention this temporary lack in reality and resolve to Private Redd, he looks up to me so and this would crush him!  

[JunkyII]

WOW ! That's the longest and most convoluted "whine" I've ever seen !

Wasnt a whine at all, stated my opinion on the matter is all. This topic is one Im very "close" to.


 

[Spikes]

Aces High isn't about promoting the dogfight, it is about winning the war.

With Uber Mega Skwads, right?

[grizz441]

The biggest misconception I see is we think a 'country' is its own entity making decisions to take down hangars or who they fight.  Bish are only attacking Knights! Bish keep taking down fighter hangars!  In reality one player decides he wants to bomb hangars for whatever his reason is.  He probably doesn't have one, he just figures if he blows up stuff at enemy base, he helps his side and has fun at the same time.  It's pretty easy to understand how it happens even though it makes no sense from a strategy perspective.  Don't even waste your time trying to wrap your head around things you see in this game, no one knows wth they are doing.

[Jayhawk]

I bomb FH's so guys will get on the forums and write a 1,161 word essay about it...   j/k.

I don't think bombing FHs has such a negative effect on game play that it warrants any change.

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Now, the reason I have created this thread is to get answers WHY dropping the FHs is so important.

Why is furballing so important? Bombers are doing what they like, furballers are doing what they like.  Very often all the hangers don't even go down at the same time, so your downtime is usually only a couple of minutes.  Groups of bombers that are able to completely disable a field on one pass are going to be throwing up a big dar, you can't really blame the bombers for you not paying attention to the map.

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To get the town down, the ack down, the radar down, it helps not having 50 spits and LA7s up.  If I go over a field and drop all the FH and VH, and another squad comes in and destroys the town, I'd say that is an effective base-taking strategy.  Now if I come in and bomb the VH, radar, maybe the town, and another squad comes in to take, they are going to meet a lot of red planes.



I just don't think it's that big of a problem, there is almost always a fight somewhere on the map.  I feel like you want your furballs at the expense of other people's game play.

 

"Get use to it, it's not going to change."

I think this is a good point, I can't change MA game play and I'm not going to try.  I adjust my tactics to give myself an advantage.

[JunkyII]

its actually vh, ack, then town.. no point in working on the town if you already got a row of gv's otw to it. but good post anyways.

Thanks for liking the post I tried to keep it away from direct flaming. BTW I did put the base capturing in that order accept I like the dar down before the ack

 

[Delirium]

Aces High isn't about promoting the dogfight, it is about winning the war.

With Uber Mega Skwads, right?

The large squadrons are an ideal we should all look up to. Who else can have all their members log on and actually double the players for a certain country?

The Muppets have recognized this and we are in the planning phase of making a 'Super Fluffy FH Killing Wing', to be escorted by the 'Strength in numbers, regardless of ability-Wing'.