Author Topic: Will 190 rollrate be fixed in new revision ? (Read 1472 times)

HABICHT · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2001, 02:08:00 AM »

the FW is an heavy ww2 fighter..not an
extra300. don't forget it.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2001, 06:56:00 AM »

Not sure if it's just bad data or if it was intentionally done that way Hristo.

If it's bad data, they can fix it.

If they intentionally gave it a slower roll rate, then they won't fix it.

So basically, I have no idea... it's HTC that does the FMs.
-SW

Westy MOL · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2001, 07:39:00 AM »

"190 lost its RL rolrate to prevent stick stirring."

Bull.

AH FW's have the fastest roll rate of any FW in an online game/sim be it AW or WB's. But if it is off in AH it should be corrected.

Westy

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2001, 08:55:00 AM »

Westy that is one of the explanations I heard regarding the 190s "???low???" lol

rollrate in AH. But I cant honestly say if it came direct from HTC or from one of the anti-LW plane club who maybe made it up as another fancy justifacion for the 190s 10-20%? lowered roll rate at certain common speeds.

That last statement isnt meant to be viscious but you all have to admit there has been a lot of such clever explaining away of LW plane perfomance concerns like the inexplicably short 109 oil-leak run time of a few versions ago, 190 single ping engine death and now 190 rollrate. The LW concerns about 109 oil leaks and 190 engine deaths have proven 100% true as HTC has agreed with them and taken or will take direct action to fix them. I see the 190 rollrate issue is going in the same direction, despite all the ardent anti-LW plane protest.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2001, 09:03:00 AM »

Yes Grunherz, there is a conspiracy to keep all of the German planes from being competitive.

Did you also know that during WWII there was also a conspiracy in the Antarctic lead by the Penguins planning to over run the Eskimos and rule the world?
-SW

garrido · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2001, 11:18:00 AM »

Hello friend's:
Not in which it affects in a combat that roll rate of 190 is of 100% of the reality or 90%, an explanation, please.
What, it is that the absence of Slats in the 109 if affects in a combat.
It is going to be fixed the Slat to the 109?

a greeting

Supongo

Fatty · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2001, 11:22:00 AM »

I don't think stickstirring is the reason it's slower, but if it's corrected I personally would rather see everything else slowed equally rather than see it sped, because the "flop" effect due to net status, etc, is bad enough already.

Seeker · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »

Garrido, slats affect slow speed handling and the onset of stall.

They are, if you like, a type of flap mounted on the front or leading edge of the wing.

On the 109 they were spring operated. Normal airflow would hold them in (closed), but as the airflow pattern changed at the begining of a stall condition, the springs would push them out.

While they were an undeniable aid to a 109's low speed handling, they also had a tendancy to both "snatch" (open very suddenly with a bang and a shake) and to deploy unevenly, that's to say that one wing would work before the other.

I've actually no idea if they're modelled in AH or not.

Westy MOL · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2001, 12:20:00 PM »

I hear you Grunherz. The 109 oil loss I personally though was modelled correctly due to the type (iverted eng) it had. Which was my error. In NO way was this an anti LW stance. I was going to fly the 190A-5 this last tour but the sudden engine death syndrome it has turned me off from that.

I personally wish ALL aircraft in AH were 100% accurately modelled. And the funny part is if they were we'd still get folks who thought the Macchi 202 was off, or the IL2 or the Zeke or the Typhoon. At what point does a developer listen? Time Life book references just won't get them to bend an ear. I'm using that as just an example for my point. I'm not saying you or anyone has used any Time Life books as reference bible for WWII aircraft performance. But some idiots do.

If the roll rate is not what it should be then hopefully it wil be fixed. But I've also seen folks like Vermillion ask for fixes on the Yak and not get a response. F4UOD ask for changes on the F4U and he's not been successful. Several folks for changes in the FM and damage model to the P-38. Nothing yet.

However, IMO there are several folks who want fixes to the just LW planes, who also allude to an anti LW undercurrent running at HTC and they seem to be pretty myopic to me.

Westy

p.s. I believe HiTech answered a longtime ago that the effects of the slats are modelled in the fm for the 109 but that the graphical and audible representation are not.

[ 07-18-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2001, 12:20:00 PM »

Conspiracy SW? I donno. But there were hails of protest and ridicule when I and a few other 109 pilots brought up the 109s arbitrlary and extremly short and oil-leak run time. Many of you tried all sorts of clever sounding excuses to justsify this innacuracy, but guess what?, HTC decided we were right and now its fixed. So there is no conspiracy you twit, but certainly a lot of conservatism, fear and ignorance among certain folks here regarding any request or concern dealing with LW planes? Anyway I dont care what you think, belive it or not SW you are completly irrelevant to AH and what actually gets done or changed here.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2001, 12:25:00 PM »

Westy I hear the P38 engine model will get fixed too!! I mentioned it along with the 190 engine model in my post. As for its overall vulnerability Im not too familiar as I mostly die from engines in P38 but I have seen their tails fall of very easily so I think there is something there too.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »

No toejam Grunherz, you should be the grand inquisiter for the National Enquirer.

I am not even protesting against this, but your basic logical thinking is so far off base I simply must comment on it.

"Everyone's against the LW" "Anytime the LW want something fixed everyone's against it"

Boo freaking hoo Grunherz, open your eyes you have them shut so tight you don't know what's going on around you.

The F6F-5 has an abrupt, and incorrectly modelled stall, that isn't fixed.

P38 loses it's engine quicker than a potato loses her cherry. That isn't fixed.

Single hit to a P51, and it's coolant is leaking. That isn't fixed.

There's a crap load of other things that's incorrect and aren't fixed. It isn't just your precious German planes.
So stop making it out like that and maybe more people will be on YOUR side than discounting anything you say.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2001, 12:50:00 PM »

I didnt say everyone. So stop putting words in my mouth you arrogant self-important SW.

What I did say and I stick to is this gang of anti-LW people who jump all over and ridicule anything anyone ever says that deals with LW concerns and issues in AH.
Maybe read Pongo's post in the other thread, then read some of the responses to what he wrote?

Anyway SW just keep the good stuff coming, friend, you just prove my point with every keystroke. I look forward to your next batch of supporting evidence, so dont let me down; make it quick and extra extra nasty and foul-spirited!

Go ahead I know you cant resist, but of course if Im wrong about this........

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »

You have no point, if you do it's not represented at all.

Secondly, there is no "anti-LW" crowd like you insist there is or have convinced yourself.

You believe yourself, you enjoy thinking you are the victim of of a group of people that are here to bring you down and ensure that the GERMAN aircraft are neutered.

You are living in your own fabricated world, where you've fabricated a group of people that you believe are out to keep people who's fantasy is to be an Erich Hartmann, or a Hans-Joachim Marseille from reaching their goals of being the best of the best.

You've convinced yourself that, and you believe that.

If I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it. Tell me these "anti-LW" people exist, give me their names, show me their statements.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2001, 01:28:00 PM »

Read the LW thread, even when I nicely asked people to keep civil, a bunch of you jumped over making fun everythig said attackging people, using the usual luftwheiner comments. Take the names and attitudes from there yourself!

Anyway SW most people on the BBS and in AH community know you are just out to play mind games with people and get a kick out of being a smart-ass jerk. In this our goals and intentions are incompatible and we'll only end up running in circles, as your wish is not to reslove conflict and find common ground, rather it is to further conflict. Its very simple to play this game and introduce new coflicts and obstacles. But im sure this is all plainly clear to you as you know what you are doing.

Anyhow I suppose you will find it very satisfying to ridicule this comment and attack again.

Go ahead SW.............

I look forward to your next BBS vacation.