so what did the 202 have against the spit5?

[funked]

I don't know what game you guys are playing.  In the one I play, the 202 climbs as well as the Spit V and is a little faster below 25,000 feet.

[juzz]

 

5. The Brit birds had mucking big sand filters to slow things down.

YEP giant sand filters for the spits! Little bitty ones for the 109s.

WOOP! WOOP! WOOP! WOOP! WOOP! WOOP!

They have it! IIRC, a "clean" Mk VB weighed about 6500lb loaded. A Mk VC(T) with that huge Vokes filter and desert survival gear weighed over 7000lb loaded.

All that extra weight and drag degraded the performance down to about that of a Mk I. The only difference is that a Mk VC(T) has 2-4 cannon and can carry 2x250lb/1x500lb bombs.

If you want to have "realistic" MTO and PTO scenarios with the Spitfire Mk V you will need a Mk VC(T) or similar.

[MC202]

jmccaul said:
> Numbers ? HTC can't do anything on feel.

That's what I said, one of the best features of the plane can not be modeled with any ease.

> In real life the controls were light and
> ballanced at all speeds and the airframe
> gave good "feel" or feedback. None of this
> will show up in a computer game, but in real
> life lets you get 100% from your aircraft.

The problem with the "numbers game" is that of five sets of test data, HTC will use only one, the worst one. That is of a standard production bird, and is up to 10% + off the other tests, including another production aircraft. Any production aircraft can vary by that amount from one plane to the next one built."Not enough wing area" "not enough power". Total lift to drag is not based on just wing area. Differing airfoils give different lift to drag, and work best at different speeds. Same for speed.

I'll drag out some of these numbers over the weekend.

MC202
Dino in Reno

[Vermillion]

MC202, its not just the C.202 that suffers this fate.

Look at the La-5FN and the Yak-9U.

Both of them use the worst of the two data sets maintained by the Soviets during the war.

For instance, imagine if the Yak-9U used the 437mph data set, instead of the 418mph data set that Pyro used in AH.

I feel your pain, but don't think that Pyro is just picking on Italian birds.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[funked]

Survival gear and an air filter weighed 500 lb.

Uh-huh.

[juzz]

Well, I did say iirc... I'll have to go dig up the exact numbers. It is a big difference though.

[funked]

I figured that, just couldn't resist easy prey!  

[SKurj]

Love to see the clipped wing spit V with the sand filter and desert camo
HT rework the gfx and FM of the current Spit V please +)

I don't think any other sim has bothered with the Afika spit

SKurj

[minus]

the problem is the Frekin super Hispano what  kill to easy  with the laser snapshot

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by minus:
the problem is the Frekin super Hispano what  kill to easy  with the laser snapshot

Got to love those Hispanos.. quick burst *blows* up the bombers, while with other cannons they still keep flying.
Not to talk about Spitfries killing tanks with less than 40 rounds  

[Animal]

WELL SAID VISCONTI.

[Duckwing6]

And what did he say well ??

sounded more like a little kid stomping his feet because it's not getting a lolly (immediately)

I'm pretty sure HTC WILL fix the 202 .. maybe not right NOW as there might be some other priorities ..

But posts like that are NOT going to make it a top issue for them

HA saying that HTC has no ears to customer complainst that's just big BS.

DW6

[gatt]

From Wells:
 

Folgore is like a 109E

Uhmmmm, check what said an instructor of the Luftwaffe:

As to its flying qualities the Macchi C.202 was rather better than our Bf109E  concerning manoeuverability and also speed. It had more sensitive controls. It floated much longer during landings. AFAIK also my comrades were as enthusiastic as I about the Macchi C.202

Konrad Augner
JG106 and JG100
Jagdlehrschule
Orange - France 1944

From: "The rich booty, italian a/c in Luftwaffe service" by Hans Werner Neulen.

[fd ski]

 

Originally posted by gatt:

As to its flying qualities the Macchi C.202 was rather better than our Bf109E  concerning manoeuverability and also speed. It had more sensitive controls. It floated much longer during landings. AFAIK also my comrades were as enthusiastic as I about the Macchi C.202

Konrad Augner
JG106 and JG100
Jagdlehrschule
Orange - France 1944

From: "The rich booty, italian a/c in Luftwaffe service" by Hans Werner Neulen.

Written in 1944 ? About 3 years after 109E finished its service in the front ?

If it was faster and more manouverable then 109E why not say 109F ?



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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Duckwing6:
And what did he say well ??

sounded more like a little kid stomping his feet because it's not getting a lolly (immediately)

I'm pretty sure HTC WILL fix the 202 .. maybe not right NOW as there might be some other priorities ..

But posts like that are NOT going to make it a top issue for them

HA saying that HTC has no ears to customer complainst that's just big BS.

DW6

This is getting old already...
Somehow usually it is LW or Italian planes that needs to be fixed, because they've been performing poorly due to some error.
While allies almost never have this problem.
lol.. imho, most good errors have gone to allied planes and bad errors of modelling for LW / Italian planes.

Remember when C.205 was like a brick to fly and lost E like on a wall?
How about C.202 or BF109F4 in 1.03?
Those were like bricks and couldn't turn well.
C.202 was *hard* to pull up even if there was over 200mph speed and nose pointing down.
I've had a 'duel' with Spitfire and I tried yo-yos over the spit because flat turn would be too futile with its below 200mph problem.
Pulling up from hi yo-yo was real hard.
I don't know of C.202 after 1.04 becase I've only tried 109F4 so far.. (and they fixed 109F4! at least it pulling the stick doesnt cause fear to spin immediatly below 180mph)

I could dig up *many* examples..
Probably most known positive error in modelling of LW planes must been Fw190A5s FM.. but I won't comment it because I've so far flown it only couple times.
So I really don't know whether it had error in FM or not.

and I really think that Visconti had enough of this.

Currently I am wondering why P-47 is such a pig.. (compare it to typhoon with heavy and light loadouts)
I've always liked P-47, thats why i am wondering