N1K2

[Toad]

Ram,

Do it again with film on. Then a guy like Wells might be able to see what did happen and see if the FM's do need tweaking.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by niklas:
Some guys said  heavier planes zoom better. This is imo not correct!

Throw a stone and a feather in a vacuum up with same speed at the beginning, they will both reach the same altitude.

We donīt fly in a vacuum, we fly in an atmosphere. That means DRAG occurs. And you plane can develop power via a propeller.

Imo Zoom performance depends on Power/drag, especially in a very steep zoom where lift doesnīt help much because the direction of lift isnīt any more "up".
109G10 should be the best.

I dunno, same intial speed?

The rock, at the same velocity, has a greater mass, and carries more momentum vertically, against gravity (but then again it has this same gravity working against it

There's a much greater difference between the mass of a feather and a rock then the difference between two fighter planes. There's really too many factors for simplification, but with simular power loading, and the same velocity in the vertical the heavier plane's momentum will carry it further (that is of course if the intial speed gets the better of the plane's power loading) The G10 lacks the sheer mass to keep itself over the required speed to continue vertically, having to rely on power alone.

Now let's do a comprehensive analysis on why rocks are better then feathers in the vertical  

- Jig

[jcy19]

i really dont know or understand alot about climbrates and junk like that.  all i know is i fly niki 90% of the time and i love catching 109s co-alt.  if it isnt a really good pilot/ or one that knows how to rope really well, i win most of the time.  not ALL the time by anymeans  just alot of the times.  that is why i ride a niki, its 1 of the planes i can kill 109s in usally. dont ask me why but if the fight gets low  the 109 is mine for sure  1vs1 that is. thank you

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[NUTTZ]

Originally posted by Citabria:
>>SNIP<<"

Citabria has 9 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-51D against the N1K2.
 Citabria has 6 kills and has been killed 2 times in the P-38L against the N1K2
 Citabria has 4 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
 
>>snip<<

NUTTZ has 6 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Nik2 against 38L
NUTTZ has 10 kills and been killed 10 times in the Nik2 against F4-c
NUTTZ has 3 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Nik2 against f4-D
NUTTZ has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the Nik2 against 109G10
NUTTZ has 9 kills and has been killed 2 times  in the Nik2 against MKiX
NUTTZ has 8 kills and has been killed 4 times in the Nik2 against p51
NUTTZ has 4 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Nik2 against A6M5b
NUTTZ has 10 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Nik2 against Nik2.


NUTTZ has 0 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Nik2 againt C-47,,LOL,, just kidding.

HEY Cit, wheres that TurdyEight of yours?
Maybe we can balance out our Nik2 Vs. 38 scores

NUTTZ

[Citabria]

that P-38 of mine is above 20k where it eats n1k2s for lunch  

but been flying the n1k2 a bit more against stratorooks and gangbangers with remarkable results.

Citabria has 63 kills and has been killed 8 times in the N1K2...
well not that remarkable but good for a rice burner  
Citabria has 61 kills and has been killed 15 times in the A6M5b

nothing scares me in this plane except maybe when i use it to bomb ostwinds  




[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 09-25-2000).]

[easymo]

 How to kill a g10

 This one is so obvious Ill give it away An old trick from my ACA days.

 Whn the 109 zooms. Follow him up, but off to the side. If he folds over to nail you  your not under him. If he tries to turn to you, he is slipping and  out of E. You on the other hand have used no e to turn around. And should have plenty for an easy rudder shot.

 Sorry but im not giving away my best, kill the g10, moves

[funked]

RAM will not stop until he has created a thread like this for every plane in the game.  

[BUG_EAF322]

perk the niki it's too good in everything
and from what i understand it purpose was too stop b-29's??

if the allies met this kind off plane they would certainly have too design a plane too beat it. I guess the impact off the niki wasn't that big as in aces high.

I think most planes in ah are pretty balanced but the niki is way too uber.

maybe we should all fly niki i will certainly when i againgotbeaten by them for the hundred time because they praying at 25k too.
what chance do i have than, my option is runaway and pray.

[Karnak]

BUG_EAF322,
Get a grip and read some books before you post nonsense.

You want to perk an aircraft that has a max level speed of less that 375mph?

N1K2 wallows like a dog at 25,000 feet.  Its 80 octane fuel produces no power to speak of.

If you're at 15,000, well, thats different.  

Sounds to me like you need to change your tactics for dealing with N1K2s.

When our Hellcat pilots met the N1K for the first time, they reported it doing turns that looked impossible.

Then there's this:
 

Originally posted by Citabria:
"operationally the shiden kai was used mainly for home defense and proved itself to be a top class fighter. on one celebrated occasion, a single took on 12 US Navy hellcats, destroying 4 and driving the others away."

normal loaded n1k2 weight: 8818lbs max loaded 10,714lbs, empty: 5858 lbs
has 2000 hp engine
fowler flaps
laminar flow wings
4 20mm cannon (wich reportedly should hold more ammo... 900 rounds instead of 600)

keep in mind I am an impartial and open minded participant in this discussion. I fly all the planes in AH including the n1k2.

my view on the aircraft is that it is a rice burner on steroids with a big snarly engine with an airframe optimised for turning and burning. essentially this plane is the forthcoming hellcats worst nightmare.

Sisu
-Karnak

[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 09-26-2000).]

[Lephturn]

RAM admitted his own error anyway.

He said the guy was in pure pursuit, not lead or lag.

Guess what, pure pursuit would lead to almost exactly the same graph as the one Verm posted.

Problem solved.

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A member of The Flying Pigs  http://www.flyingpigs.com


"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[tshred]

1.04 was definately the N1k's best friend. I never feared and engagement with a N1k whilst flying my trusty P38 before this version. Those days are long gone, now I try not to engage them unless I have a good alt and speed advantage over them, and have learned the hard way NEVER to try to out turn them in the horizontal any more, even if the pilot is a newbie.

There numbers in the Arena have definatley increased since the latest patch....pretty obvious it is much improved with the latest changes. Whether it's right or wrong...I dunno.

What happened to the 205? Haven't seen much of that lately, just N1k's and Corsairs mostly (Knight's/time zone perspective mind you, I'm starting to think that is all Bishops and Rooks fly anymore hehe).

ts

[BUG_EAF322]

That's what i meant any beginner flying for the first time can kill me in a niki.
Oner day we will all fly niki because off that.

Is that what u want karnak ?

yeah i improved my tactic and it is runaway from them.

[BUG_EAF322]

The  niki is a plane for score pilot's
but i like doing that the hard way so for me it's still the P38 untill i'm really forced too and over 50 % flying this niki

[Suave1]

Alot of wwII aircraft aficionados have admired the shiden long before there was Aces High. It was Japans spitfire in a way, protecting the Island and doing a good job at it against odds . The idea that it is flown only by gamers is very wrong . The other day while fighting a p51 on the deck I got jumped by a high n1k2. I shot down the p51, and defended myself from the n1k2. The p51 came back, but eventually spun in, came back again and ended up crashing into a mountain . The whole while I'm trying to stave off this highly aggressive and persistant n1k2. I only had about 150 rnds left in my lone 7mm and was near bingo, all I wanted to do was go home. This fight with the n1k2 went on for at least 15 minutes. I pinged him up a bit but no damage, had I had cannons I'm sure it would've been over. Finally, for reasons I don't know the shiden disengaged and gave me a big <S>. Bingo and nearly winchester I made for home. Later I found out that the shiden pilot was ranked #6 in AH. So please don't preach that the n1k2 is porked or uber or that any newbie can kill in it . Planes don't kill people, people kill people  .

[BUG_EAF322]

So..?
A good pilot in it is worser
i can understand that. Placed 6? that is not impossible with the niki   .

When u fought in a P38 u would have not returned home that's for sure.
The niki gives u more chances too return home compared too other planes.

Yeah we all should fly it