How to fight P-51's, tsjhokk and N1K's in 190's?

[Toad]

That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.

 

The absolute FIRST.

Wonder if he's really a Finn?  

[Spatula]

I dont fly the 190 much, but i have from time to time flown the 190A5 for base defense, it rocks for that.

Against P51s, i have found that the acceleration of the 190 and the roll-rate are the best things to use. 190 A5 accels way better than P51. I find if you can lul the stang into a deck knife fight your acceleration will pay off hugely. No stang pilot worth a pich of salt should get into a knife fight with anything, but those that do against a 190A5 pay the price. The 190 greatest strength is the time you can use WEP, compared to the stang its about 5 times
as long.
A good stang pilot will BnZ ya, if you can avoid his 2 or 3 of their passes they will have lost the E advantage and you end up with them widthdrawing or a knife fight   If they widthdraw be carefull cause they'll run ya down when you turn ya back (heh - i know, i do...) if you dont have backup or support of some kind. Dont chase a mustang without backup, its bad form and will get you killed.

Another thing, im sure you use this one, but the slice-back is a magic move for a reversal - never fails   .

Then again the mustang is a tricky fish to catch if the pilot has any good length of time behind the stick.

As for Chogs, set them up for a front quarter attack on you (cause you know they will HO), and break turn into them at d 1.2. The break turn should show them enuf of your rear quarter very breifly on the merge to lul them to turn hard after it, then if they do they as good as dead.
I guess just avoid the HO onslaught and wait for them to slip up - most pilots who HO also slip up lots too  

As for the uber nik, if ya aint got a good E advantage then you cant out-run, out-climb, out dive, out-turn it. time to prey. Stay very fast and try to outmanuever them. or hope they slip up.

Spat.

[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 10-02-2000).]

[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by Torque:
So why beat around the bush Fishu cough up your handle for the next 2 weeks also give us Histro handle.  

Lacky, cause we all know you both abuse the 2 week trail period yet whine and moan the most on the board.

Puke, I have never abused 2 weeks trial. Not even when I changed handles. Ask HTC if you don't believe.

[StSanta]

Heya Spatula

Well, the thing is that if I have a higher P-51, or a pair, and we're in two lower 190's, we're basically SOL. Me and VoX ran into Ice and Beemer; they came in at ultra high (we were at 19k) and trying to climb at that alt in the 190 is kinda futile.

I'd lure 'um down, evade their pass, and start to climb back on. They made 3-4 passes, and we didn't gain any altitude on them. So, I said "fek this", told my wingie to disengage and rtb, since they stayed high and we were fightinng in a no-win situation.

One 51 (Ice) follows me down to the deck, some cool maneuvers and he misses me; with me heading straight for home and him the opposite direction after the break.

Now, I've managed to reverse on P-51's before. What they've done is gone into a spiralling dive turn, popped flaps and outturned me. Or, gone into very high speed and outrolled/outcontrolled me.

I am not sure what you mean when you say "slice back"? Pretty sure I a doing it, but not familiar with this term.

Another question; I merge with tjshokks as you say; tempting them to turn a bit. But, after the merge my options are still limited, because they'll just complete the turn, end up d1.8 my 6 with approximately the same speed.

N1K's. Well. Kill 'um if I have alt, disenagage if I don't.

Someone mentioned that the 190s were the most effective "pair" hunters. I don't attrbute this to the plane, but rather that most 190 drivers in squads have flown together for a while. Drivers like Kirin and Maik know what their wingie is gonna do next, and communicate mucho over RW. Ou radio discipline is a mess  .

Was a fun fight with Ice and Beemer, even if it was a bit frustrating to see them zoom up into safety, knowing that if ya zoom with them, the higher one would swoop down and shoot ya outta the sky (almost happened once  ).

Thanks for advice

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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Toad:
That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.

 

The absolute FIRST.

Wonder if he's really a Finn?    

With guys like Torque around, I don't mind that everyone knows who I am  
Torque is good example of that how far fanatic they're being for getting some bad stuff of me.

[Hristo]

In 190 you must fight C-Hog in dirty way.

The other guy already fights dirty since he chose C-og to fly.

[Duckwing6]

ok and now please post how you fight all of the above with D -Hogs  

DW6

[Spatula]

   

Originally posted by StSanta:
Heya Spatula

So, I said "fek this", told my wingie to disengage and rtb, since they stayed high and we were fightinng in a no-win situation.

That's ya 1st mistake (i do it all the time cause i lone wolfer from way back). Never leave ya wingman.


 

Now, I've managed to reverse on P-51's before. What they've done is gone into a spiralling dive turn, popped flaps and outturned me. Or, gone into very high speed and outrolled/outcontrolled me.

I would avoid getting into a high-speed maneuver contest with 'em, cause ya know they'll win. If they pop flaps and spiral dive then they gotta be throwing E away like mad. If ya have a shred of speed start a moderate climb, then you should have the E. They may disengage at that point, but ya still alive.

 

I am not sure what you mean when you say "slice back"? Pretty sure I a doing it, but not familiar with this term.

Hope thats the right term, its kinda a like an upside-down chandelle reversal. Supposedly, and dont quote me on this, it was used to good effect in RL by 190 pilots.

 

Another question; I merge with tjshokks as you say; tempting them to turn a bit. But, after the merge my options are still limited, because they'll just complete the turn, end up d1.8 my 6 with approximately the same speed.

What ya aiming for is for you to be real fast and turn just enuf (low G) to avoid the HO and to tempt them to turn hard. The aim is you keep ya speed, they loose theirs and you extend a bit then chandelle reverse, use the 190s accel to get back to speed and repeat, if done right - and they buy into you game, you should come out on top in the E stakes quite quickly.

Well thats how i try to do it, i got a film of a combination of the above - me in 190 nme in mustang. I'll send it if ya want.


Spat.


[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 10-03-2000).]

[LLv34_Camouflage]

   

Originally posted by Toad:
That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.

   

The absolute FIRST.
 

ROFL, are we that bad?    

Camo


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