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Offline DREDIOCK

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2010, 09:26:02 PM »



(2) Plane type HO's. I tend to avoid getting in front of 110s, N1ks, Typhoons, F4U 1-Cs. I make it a point NOT to. I don't fly straight at them hoping the pilot will wave as I pass. I play because of my interest in WWII---I don't like games online, and I play no other. Read the Osprey books on WWII AC----they are FULL OF HO ATTACKS. See the Hurri Aces book---a guy in a Hurri I Ho-ing 110s (he got 2 before bailing). The HO was part of real life P-40 and P-38 tactics vs most IJ AC.


And probably a good reason why there are more dead pilots who won the MOH then live ones.
Remember in WWII there was such a thing as acceptable loses. As is evidenced by the way some recon missions were set up.
You sent a patrol out. If they didnt come back you knew there were enemy in that area. Soldiers and pilots were expendable commodities in WWII

It was a valid tactic yes. but it was also an extremely stupid one
Course you only hear the stories of the ones that lived to tell about it. I wonder if the dead ones could talk if they still say it was a "valid tactic"

Think about it. here you get to die over and over again.
If your life were really at risk in this game would you still opt for a HO unless you were vastly outnumbered or out of other choices?

If you had to leave the game for the rest of the week every time you died even. I wonder how many would still use the HO as the shot of choice?

I can agree to a certain extent with most of the circumstances you mention and am only commenting on the one I quoted.
The vast problem here if it can be called that is so many use the HO as their shot of first choice.

I can site one classic example that happend two nights ago. I was trying to RTB bingo ammo and low fuel in a D9  when I came across a high spit. He had both alt and E on me. By most reasoning he should have been able to best me. but he kept going for the HO shot over and over again while I was going for the maneuver on the merge. Each time I ended up either dodging him or behind him. Had I had ammo thee were no less then 5 times I could have easily killed him (aint that always the case when your bingo ammo? LOL)
Eventually a couple of friendies showed up and chased him off.

This guy wasnt even trying to get a position on me the HO was his shot of first choice as that was the only set up he was trying for.
I eventually called out to him telling him "If you had spent as much time worrying about your maneuvering as you did trying to set up your HO. You probably would be landing a kill right now."

Condoning the HO in game because it was a valid tactic in WWII is bad form. Because those who consistently use the HO as their first shot of choice never get any better until they learn to abandon that tactic 

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2010, 01:37:36 AM »
You know you say you're for the fight. Then hold up historical data stating th HO was part of real life to justify HOing in the game That argument doesn't hold water. You can't compare what we do for recreation, to war. War in real life wasn't about the fight it was about surviving.

In AH what's the worse thing that's going to happen to you? Heaven forbid you might learn something and become a better cartoon pile-it. Now that would be a tragic fate.
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Offline Boozeman

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2010, 06:27:18 AM »
Actually you did. Karaya, I don't think he even got your meaning lol.

Yeah, I did call you out first. But you started to respond like a jerk. Can we agree on this?   :cheers:

Offline Boozeman

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2010, 06:29:33 AM »
My name is wagger and I am a HOer.   :cheers:

Nice to meet you! 

Offline Boozeman

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2010, 06:44:54 AM »


I didn't make any comment on your skill/experience whatsoever. Zip, nada not one.  Did you read my post?


There's not a single insult of you in my post.. anywhere. Zip, nada, not one. Please, grow a few layers of skin, yours is way  way too thin.

Oh sure you did. Don't pretend innocence.
You put words in his mouth that say he is NOT skilled enough to survive the failed HO attempt against an experienced player, which pretty much implies he is skillless. 
Yet another rude worthless reply, which results in bad mood.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 06:47:01 AM by Boozeman »

Offline PJ_Godzilla

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2010, 07:11:13 AM »
...is that a take out option at IHOP?? with gravey?? :O

...sorry - couldn't resist :neener:

...cheers eh! :D

IHOP? I think it is, if IHOP stands for "I HO Persistently".
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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2010, 07:14:14 AM »
the "war" is there to promote AIR COMBAT plain and simple.

The "war" is and should always be secondary.

"should"... hmm...

a normative word, raising more questions than it answers...
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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2010, 07:28:58 AM »
I havnt read anything in this thread yet...........



It doesnt take 2 to HO, only merge




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Offline Bear76

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2010, 12:02:28 PM »
Yeah, I did call you out first. But you started to respond like a jerk. Can we agree on this?   :cheers:
It had nothing to do with hubris, insert anyones name where I said "I". You missed the whole point. So no I don't agree.

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2010, 12:16:41 PM »
Oh sure you did. Don't pretend innocence.
You put words in his mouth that say he is NOT skilled enough to survive the failed HO attempt against an experienced player, which pretty much implies he is skillless. 
Yet another rude worthless reply, which results in bad mood.
Where exactly did you read this? Take that huge chip off your shoulder and I'm sure that "bad mood" will improve. :D

Offline Boozeman

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2010, 04:11:34 PM »
It had nothing to do with hubris, insert anyones name where I said "I". You missed the whole point. So no I don't agree.

How about this:

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Well, I've been playing this game considerably longer than you have and I do think I know how it works. If you feel the need to rely on that type of thing, as many do, by all means take the shot. I'll kill you shortly after and it will all be for naught. It's really as simple as that.

and later

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Lol, unlike you I have a life outside the game. Other than running your mouth, what else do you do? A little too sensitive for this game or the forum for that matter.

You sure did not miss any chance to put yourself into the spotlight, didn't you? 


Where exactly did you read this?

Between the lines.

 

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2010, 04:35:14 PM »
Fugitive you complain so much it is really hard to respect anything you say.

I'm sorry I don't post up to your standards. I just call them as I see them. Take it for what it's worth.

Offline Bear76

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2010, 05:00:47 PM »
How about this:

and later

You sure did not miss any chance to put yourself into the spotlight, didn't you?  


Between the lines.

 

You still miss the point apparently. Insert your name if you like.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 05:57:12 PM by Bear76 »

Offline Peyton

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2010, 10:41:44 PM »
Wow...Since we have this much converstaion about HOing...start one about why hiding cvs is ridiculous!!!!!!

Offline SIK1

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Re: If I happen to HO you
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2010, 10:44:18 PM »
Wow...Since we have this much converstaion about HOing...start one about why hiding cvs is ridiculous!!!!!!

Go ahead.

Or can't you do your own dirty work? :noid
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