Remove ghost bushes

[RedTeck]

Make it so a bush/shrub is either there or not. I've heard of people turning down their graphics settings, in LWO today, so they can follow your movements through a stand of trees that you believe is concealing you position. I couldn't find a great stand of trees when I went and tried it out, but you can see the difference. While not a drastic change, it's still enough to change the outcome of a fight. I'll assume I'm not the only one who has been spotted and shot through a group of trees you couldn't see through.

Object Detail set to Detail


Object Detail set to Faster


I don't intend for this to be a whine. It is another case of people searching for the competitive edge, aka gaming the game. I'm not sure if it would be a simple object modification, or if whole maps would have to be re-treed. Just figured I'd suggest it.

[gyrene81]

  Uh where's Waldo?

I don't see a difference between the pics there RedTeck...I know what you're talking about since I've seen it...do you have screen shots of the 2 opposing perspectives?

[waystin2]

Thank you Gyrene,  I stared until my eyes blurred.  Please more information Redteck!

[gyrene81]

   Oh wait...I see it now...HOLY EYE PAIN...top picture look at ground level along the front row of trees...the bushes are there...bottom pic they aren't there anymore.

I was hoping it was the other magic bushes.

[RedTeck]

Like I said it's nothing drastic. It IS enough that most people who enjoy the great new terrain with maxed out graphic settings wouldn't see a tank behind those bushes. The people who have to run lower graphics, and those that choose to turn their graphics down, gain a slight edge in a type of combat were seeing someone first is usually the deciding factor.

[RedTeck]

I forgot to mention that it's a product of range also. Regardless of your settings, if you were sitting on the other side of those trees looking toward where I was taking the picture from the bushes would be there. They only disappear when the setting are turned down and you are further away from them. One person only sees bushes and the other not only sees him but possible can get a shot between trees. That's the problem as I see it.

[waystin2]

+1 on this fix HTC.  Thanks for the clarification Redteck!

[batch]

[The people who have to run lower graphics, and those that choose to turn their graphics down, gain a slight edge in a type of combat were seeing someone first is usually the deciding factor.

so you are faced with the option of pretty graphics or higher visibility and you have chosen pretty graphics......... its your choice

so you desire to make everyone else play the game your way? maybe some dont like the pretty graphics...... they choose higher visibility

I personally keep all details maxed all the time.......... and I can see everything just fine........... but I suppose someone who switches visibility modes might have a slight advantage on me....... please remove that feature from the game

I also choose to use minimal zoom (as I typically prefer to fire from 4K or more)........ please remove full zoom from tank turrets.......... this gives someone a slight advantage over me at close range

you do see how silly this is right?

[gyrene81]

Actually Batch...if you're done with your sanctimonious rant...it's about the an object rendering glitch...if certain objects like gv's are rendered continuously then all objects including bushes and trees should be too...I've even seen disappearing barns with a tank hiding behind them...this should probably be in the bugs report section...people have been accused of firing through trees, barns, bushes, etc...just because of an object rendering glitch.

[RedTeck]

I don't really consider this a glitch or bug. It is just a setting that keeps the load on a GPU down by drawing less objects.

The whole reason I posted this is because I overhead, on range, some people telling everyone to change their setting so they can camp the spawn better (85/88 fight). I double checked the info back at a base off the front and posted this. It is an advantage created by the game, that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a fight. The video settings should only change the quality of what you see, not the actual objects that do or do not appear.

[guncrasher]

I don't really consider this a glitch or bug. It is just a setting that keeps the load on a GPU down by drawing less objects.

The whole reason I posted this is because I overhead, on range, some people telling everyone to change their setting so they can camp the spawn better (85/88 fight). I double checked the info back at a base off the front and posted this. It is an advantage created by the game, that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a fight. The video settings should only change the quality of what you see, not the actual objects that do or do not appear.

true.  people with good computers and expensive gc will lower their graphics to see thru trees/bushes.  I hear this several times a week on range, people laughing about how they lower their graphics to get more kills.

semp

[Nemisis]

+1000

I hadn't though of this when I requested a Pak-40  . That could hurt anyone's chances right there. I wish that the small shrubs are there regardless of graphics settings, but that detailed terrain only means that the gound isn't one color, and mountians aren't just grey mounds in the distance.

[W7LPNRICK]

It's all part of the new way of thinking. "Wah- It's not fair!" When you're fairly new on a game, you're supposed to get killed a lot. I did! There have to be things to learn, over time, to help improve your game. Hence, the longer you're on, the more questions you ask, the more you are mentored, the better you'll be. Our society is ruining young people by teaching them "Life is meant to be fair and have a level playing field". Look inside yourself & find the fun in figuring out the things you don't know. Remember the questions you want answered and ask them when it's more convenient. Send PM's to squadies...Most team mates will tell you, if you ask, but you have to know what the question is. "Hey! Why am I always getting killed by tanks right in front of me that I can't see?" answer: go to visual preferences, increase the speed and shorten the distance & don't forget to reset it when you go back to aircraft. 

[ScatterFire]

Not that I don't sympathize, but take a look at the minimum specs for the game.  Unless HiTech is prepared to considerably raise that, and stop a lot of current players from paying money to play, things like this will have to happen.  I play on my laptop from work with no option to use a different machine and I average 30 fps on the ground, 20 in the air, with graphics set all the way down.  If I turn them to medium, I get 4 fps. This machine exceeds minimum by quite a lot with the exception of the graphics card....

And it cuts both ways; a LOT of things that are there that will stop a round but aren't visible with those same settings, so you can be firing away at someone while they are inside a barn or behind impenetrable trees that you can't see, all the while telling their friends where you are.

[RedTeck]

It's all part of the new way of thinking. "Wah- It's not fair!" When you're fairly new on a game, you're supposed to get killed a lot. I did! There have to be things to learn, over time, to help improve your game. Hence, the longer you're on, the more questions you ask, the more you are mentored, the better you'll be. Our society is ruining young people by teaching them "Life is meant to be fair and have a level playing field". Look inside yourself & find the fun in figuring out the things you don't know. Remember the questions you want answered and ask them when it's more convenient. Send PM's to squadies...Most team mates will tell you, if you ask, but you have to know what the question is. "Hey! Why am I always getting killed by tanks right in front of me that I can't see?" answer: go to visual preferences, increase the speed and shorten the distance & don't forget to reset it when you go back to aircraft.  

This is a wishlist. I suggested a change to the game that would make a gv fight be more about player skill, and luck, and not about how to best game the game. I'm all about adapting to the peculiarities of the game, and I do. Now, if we could just get people to quit telling others to (in effect) "shut up and play the game." I made a suggestion, if you like it say so. If you DON'T say so. Just don't tell me how I should be playing the game please.

Not that I don't sympathize, but take a look at the minimum specs for the game.  Unless HiTech is prepared to considerably raise that, and stop a lot of current players from paying money to play, things like this will have to happen.  I play on my laptop from work with no option to use a different machine and I average 30 fps on the ground, 20 in the air, with graphics set all the way down.  If I turn them to medium, I get 4 fps. This machine exceeds minimum by quite a lot with the exception of the graphics card....

And it cuts both ways; a LOT of things that are there that will stop a round but aren't visible with those same settings, so you can be firing away at someone while they are inside a barn or behind impenetrable trees that you can't see, all the while telling their friends where you are.

I understand some people have systems that won't let them max out their settings. I just don't see a need for an object count disparity. Thats why I just want the bushes removed. With them gone, the other objects could be made to stay on possibly.