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Offline Steve

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 04:55:58 PM »
Like I said in the first post, the times when its really bad, switching teams wont work because during those times the Knits and Bish are not fighting each other.

So what's stopping you from attacking?
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2010, 04:59:19 PM »
So what's stopping you from attacking?

I'm about as likely to go attack a base as you are. I generally dont do anything but dogfight.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2010, 05:04:05 PM »
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

as a knit (who are usually outnumbered and sometimes ganged), I find these kind of posts very amusing.  :lol

I'll also say that the ENY restrictions dont even come close to balancing the numbers advantage they are caused by...
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2010, 05:04:10 PM »
Rooks and Bish, Bish and Knights Blah blah  :cry  I'm starting to see how nice it is to have 5-6 like minded people to fly with. Throw out the sides, quit the crying and play a game.
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 05:04:50 PM »
The logistics of moving an entire squad across multiple time zones and countries is not quite as simplistic as the "change sides" fanbois seem to think it is either.

It isn't difficult...

Log on, type .sr, hit enter. Check the roster and see what country they are, or ask them on squad channel.

Done.

ENY is working just as designed to, to encourage people to even up the sides (which is something we shouldn't need any encouragement to do).
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2010, 05:14:26 PM »
The only way the "two sides ganging up on the third side" issue is going away is some sort of local ENY or limit on the number planes upping from a given field. Otherwise how does the program know who's fighting who? But I don't see that as likely anytime soon, if at all.

IMHO a much worse effect of the continual no-cap is the massive hordes all around caused by the high number of players crammed into the smaller maps or or the ones where attacks tend to be channeled through 2 or 3 fields. Titanic Tuesday usually has only the biggest maps, so it's less a problem, although I know a fair number of people don't even want that.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2010, 05:18:04 PM »
as a knit (who are usually outnumbered and sometimes ganged), I find these kind of posts very amusing.  :lol

I'll also say that the ENY restrictions dont even come close to balancing the numbers advantage they are caused by...

You have missed my entire point. I dont mind getting ganged. I mind getting ganged while being forced to fly a 20 eny plane, and having 100 perk 262s picking the entire time. This is something that is happening now that was not happening in the past.

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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2010, 05:20:13 PM »
In fact, if you log in right now you will see that the Bish and Knits have about 15 guys fighting each other. The rest are all after the rooks. In the east its about even, in the west, the rooks are getting overwhelmed.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2010, 05:23:18 PM »
In fact, if you log in right now you will see that the Bish and Knits have about 15 guys fighting each other. The rest are all after the rooks. In the east its about even, in the west, the rooks are getting overwhelmed.

Sounds fun!

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2010, 05:26:27 PM »
get a group and start attacking instead of defending, otherwise prepare to move backwards. Yes i understand you like to dog fight but so do I, it won't be the end of the world to kill their radar and ord or what ever else and start a fight.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2010, 05:29:35 PM »
It isn't difficult...

Log on, type .sr, hit enter. Check the roster and see what country they are, or ask them on squad channel.

Done.

ENY is working just as designed to, to encourage people to even up the sides (which is something we shouldn't need any encouragement to do).

It is of course simply achieved by those who subscribe to the theory that it is easy to achieve, and as usual your overly simplistic analysis shows a lack of appreciation on your part that some people don;t perceive side changing as appropriate or desirable. 
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2010, 05:32:50 PM »
It is of course simply achieved by those who subscribe to the theory that it is easy to achieve, and as usual your overly simplistic analysis shows a lack of appreciation on your part that some people don;t perceive side changing as appropriate or desirable. 

And there we are at the old point. Players want to stay loyal all the time (which is not a bad thing at all), but they are not willing to endure a short time of hardship (= pay the price for loyalty)
When the things start to get tough the true value of loyalty starts to show. :)

I just wonder why nobody comes here to complain when the enemy is on the suffering side of the ENY equation...
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2010, 05:40:12 PM »
And there we are at the old point. Players want to stay loyal all the time (which is not a bad thing at all), but they are not willing to endure a short time of hardship (= pay the price for loyalty)
When the things start to get tough the true value of loyalty starts to show. :)

I just wonder why nobody comes here to complain when the enemy is on the suffering side of the ENY equation...


It is amazing to me how people cant read or refuse to understand my initial point. Changing sides would not help in the situation I am describing. Also, I never said this is happening all the time, but it is happening with much greater frequency. I refuse to switch sides in that situation because then i would just be a part of the horde. This has all been caused by the fixed arena cap. Having two populated LW arenas was one of the most effective safe guards in the past to prevent this from happening. That safeguard is gone. I was a big defender of ENY when it worked. It does not work right now.

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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2010, 05:54:13 PM »
BigR,

Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft swamping and rolling rook feilds one at a time even if the rooks have a higher number of players on the map?

ENY is worthless against that. In fact it's to the advantage of the bish by allowing thier mostly lame fighter support to fly high ENY planes in the safety of the cloud. So someone has turned ENY to the littel guys advantage just like HiTech INTENDED. You cannot blame the few reasonable bish players who tag along for doing so to pick up easy kills. We all take advantage of such clouds from time to time. The recent phenominon is just taking advantage of a higher number of newer players on the bish side these days who want to win without effort. And, can you blame the knights for not fighting the bish while they have a breather to fight a single side? Especially if ENY gives them an edge along with only one enemy for the night.

It took a few years but, ENY is finally working as designed. Remember, HiTech does not care if you only want to fly rooks. You are making a personal decision to help rookland suffer from high ENY like every other rook who won't change sides to make the country numbers even. If there were no ENY, rookland's high player numbers could easily fight one country and roll the other with high ENY aircraft. Thats why HiTech implimented ENY because Rookland used to up 300+ players and swamp the other two countries almost one night a week for awhile.

So BigR, are you asking HiTech for the 300+ rook player nights with high ENY planes back again?
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Re: Time to revisit ENY...
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2010, 06:04:41 PM »
I am loving seeing the rooks get a taste of there own medicine. Been flying since AH 1 and ever since the rooks usually have the numbers and it seems to rotate from Bish to Knit land which side has the fewest numbers. So my suggestion is do what Knits and Bish have been doing for years. Learn to deal with it and do what you can